Seekers SEECAMP

Still no word on who will be captain?

Ok...We are in deep S#*T!!

...and maybe a game plan B ...but all in all, there lay the clubs terminal deficiencies. RIP.

Will do Dappa

Dapper, I see where youre coming from and I think we have pretty similiar views...youre just a tad more positive than I!! I agree theres no doubt we been penalised by our own conservative,middle of the road success over the past few years. When looking at say Key pos recruitment, my point here is that historically, over the past 10+ years, injuries to our KPP's mixed with a ridiculously poor track record of KPP recruitment has ultimately mauled us and looks set to bite us again. My other issue is the constant lack of consistency of the playing group, as has been the case for a number of years. Inconsistency has to be expected in a rebuilding phase, but should not be granted to a club who has had almost 10 years to get things right. BTW, Hannabal is well..[censored] off right atm, but good as gold!

No doubt it will come out of the leadership group. But Jaded's case in point re Miller is not lost on me even thou more than likely it was expressed through sheer frustration. Out there on Monday he showed some ticker whereas a lot of others didn't. It will be interesting.

Who is going to stand-in and stand-up for the side as Captain this week. Given we have injuries to Neita and Brock is out, the only players left in the leadership group are Green, Bruce and Junior. On form over the past week or so.. Macca for mine... but given all the talk on this subject lately, theres bound to be opinion.

Gone wrong? All tip of the iceburg stuff Direction for one. Lack of vision is two. Player development is snail paced and list management has been AWOL Succession planning? Nothing new..just not heard of at the junction oval...? 4 players are already the wrong side of 30, of which 2 ( 34 & 9) have totally plateaued out and are on the decline...tell me..where will the potential champions come from in the short tm. Jamar perhaps? Newton perhaps? PJ perhaps? Maybe 426 if we'd held onto him for a couple more years? Oh yeah..and we almost forgot the perpetual vacuum issue at CHF and the issue of no boot polish at FB. Maybe Frawley can offer something there and perhaps Dunn @ CHF. Thats long term...along with Newton still too raw. Is there anyone else? Our long term inability to have any kind of plan B in any facet of our club is what is hurting us The best we can do is pray for no more outside receivers! Weve got those by the bucketloads.

Customary false hope!

Dappa, this isn't a post game witch hunt or finger pointing exercise My point is, its alright for blokes to talk about youth, but it means something when there is a proven track record of youth/player development on show. Player recruitment is an investment. Player 'development' is a process and it doesn't all of a sudden stop when the player hits 21. Getting away from your rhetoric Dappa, there are much deeper issues here....hopefully any monkey can see that. So, will we see Godders, Brown & Ward front up again? If the last 2 games were an abberation, sure ,i'll take your word for it...

You reckon? Are you saying that for the past 9 years Daniher & Co's ability to 'nurse' our young & upcoming brigade has been a strength? Dappa, If you are silly enough to think this and yet not been satisfied with yesterdays performance, your comments are as confusing as the Mfc itself.

Agreed re Holland Calling-up Maguire so soon is a risk the saints seem prepared to take and opportunity knocks for Miller.

FYI A rumour doing the rounds by Pluger66 at Saintsational... http://www.saintsational.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1

And your thoughts on Sylvia? His prospects have been documented ad nauseum by the masses. Perhaps he just doesn't rate WJ?

FCS Jaded you have done it again..only this time you have really exposed yourself and enlightened the brethren as to how little you really know. Think before you pull the trigger, or at the very least, consult someone who has a clue! <_< Back to the topic, there is nothing stopping anybody from suporting our great club and I encourage as many people to do so. I hope that as many 'supporters' of our club contribute financially as is possible (and within their means). Whether it be through merchandise purchased through our club, attending our home games (gate receipts) or attending club functions. People who are not members should not be ridiculed. They should be encouraged to get on board and help make a difference. YM, I suspect you don't have a great lot in life to hang your hat on?

The Rising Star Award, formerly known as the NAB Rising Star Award, is now called the Ron Evans Medal, in recognition of Ron Evans, (who sadly passed away recently DD) and his contribution to Australian Rules Football.

Totally agree with the last 4 posters . But of course there will always be some on this site who will never understand

Why not Joe?

If Jaded had her way, Miller would be been captain by now

Sylvia's apprentiship is done & dusted and even with a limited pre-season was able to exert an influence on Sandringham's result today. I don't have heightened expectations of Sylvia's output for the first half of this year. That said, he has demonstrated , particulary last season, that he is capable of playing at the highest level and having considerable impact. When, and if when, he is fit and on song, I have no doubt that he has a great opportunity this year to announce his arrival and stamp his mark as a rising and potentially elite AFL player.

To label a player a Vice captain when he is not is hardly irrelevant in any context of a discussion. Irrespective of my opinions and Fans perspectives on Bruce, whats relevant here is that nothing he has stated is fabricated or contrived.

Jaded, Whilst people here have opinions (of which they are entitled to), I am a little bemused by the 'evergreen' swings in your opinions. For instance, the topic of future captaincy of our club. Now, this is not a criticism, merely an observation. Take for example this comment you made in late '05 re Brad Miller... "I'm not worried about his goal-kicking, when in range he usually goes alright. It is not his fault that he hardly ever takes a mark inside 50. He does need to become less one-dimensional with his handballing, I'd love to see him take a mark and going for a run, or kicking it long to the goal-square. As far as Milsy is concerned, I can think of only two things: Future captain CHF not CHB/FB [end quote] If the club were to have taken your advice back then and not 'delay the inevitable' by appointing Miller, would you still have stood by your comments to this day? Perhaps I am reading it all wrong; perhaps you refer to 'future' as in after Brock?

Nice thesis Dappa...you must be unemployed? Cam Bruce is highly respected amongst the playing group and in my view is a role model for all footballers, both aspiring and current AFL players. Injury aside and despite his critics, his form and output for the club has been of a consistently high standard. In addition,he is one of the few remaining players who has come through the old system and will be close to clocking 10 years service with the Mfc. I believe we will see even greater feats from him in coming seasons and I would have him Captain the club before McLean. Whilst Brock has had a significant impact on the club on a couple of levels, I woud hesitate to expect him to shoulder such a responsibility (and prestigious) role just yet. This is not to say that he does not have the support of the playing group. The point about age is an interesting one and is well made. Mind you, out of the 4 names mentioned, I would only pick one of them who has really proved themselves to be a leader amongst men.

Too much fluff CTD..to put it simply, he needs to hurt the opposition by kicking goals. For me, that will be his measure of success this year.