xman97

Yeh mate 100%, I know what you mean. I definately would rather a more imposing physical key forward, don’t get me wrong. I do see heaps of upside though and his footy IQ is high already. Like you, I also wouldn’t mind us picking another key forward next year. At this stage, it looks like only 2 or 3 key forwards in the 1st round, so it’s not a given that we can land one of them. I just hope we draft one soon as I can see a Collingwood situation of the past few years happening where they didn’t invest in a key forward early in a draft so they’ve been stuck with B graders as key forwards for years! It’s a good example of how hard it is sometimes to trade for a gun key forward. They’re the biggest club in the country also! Lets trust JT and his crew to make the right call as they’ve watched Jefferson a lot more than we have.

He could be a bust, you're right. Picking a player at 14 in any year has a risk at that. Pick 14 over the history has a 90 average games played compared to, lets say a pick 5, that has 125 average games. In the same area of the draft we have Hewitt who has behavior issues and might not get a game considering our midfield depth, and he might go home in 2 years. We have Ed Allan who might not get a game either and go home to WA. We might pick Cowen which looks like a awesome Hibbo replacement. He might go to the new Tassie team in 2 or 3 years time. There's a lot of hypotheticals. But one things for sure, is that the people who watch every under 18 game, say that he has enormous upside, scoreboard impact and a ridiculously good reading of the ball in flight to dominate aerially. They also point out his lack of strength and physicality but that can hopefully be easily ticked off in time, which is why he's rated a mid to late 1st round pick rather than Cadman who's rated top 3. While we're contending, we ain't getting a top 3 pick. That's why equalisation is in place, so a team like us doesn't get a Cadman. Jefferson isn't perfect, but no one at pick 14 will be.

You make very good points. I don’t think West Coast did so well with the list size last year though 😂

There was something I heard that it's going back to normal, but as there's no official word yet, it makes it very frustrating and I'm now starting to think that clubs can go to max allowed list size as pre Covid, but the minimum can stay at the Covid years level. I'd be shocked if the list sizes don't go back to normal as the salary cap surely goes up due to the following points below. Surely you can't have the salary cap go up and the list sizes stay at Covid year levels. -Players currently having access to 28 per cent of forecast defined AFL revenue. The broadcast deal's price is $643 million per season, up on the current $473 million per season. -The Soft Cap limit will increase by an additional $500,000 in 2023 and a further $250,000 in 2024. -Total Player Payments/Average wage for the following seasons (Covid years didn't go up as planned below): 2016: $10.37m / $309,000 2017: $12.45m / $371,000 2018: $12.6m / $375,000 2019: $12.76m / $380,000 2020: $13.02m / $388,000 2021: $13.28m / $396,000 2022: $13.54m / $403,000

My view is this. Lets ask ourselves what our key forward stock will be in 2 years time without Brown and McDonald. Yes we can get one in a trade, but good ones are very hard to get and we shouldn’t bank on that. Without picking Jefferson, in 2 years time we have JVR (in his 4th year) and Schache (a back up KPF) and that’s it! Yes, we can get a Key Fwd in next years draft, but in 2 years time he’ll have only 1 year experience. JVR and and a 19 yr old won’t hold up when we’re contending. Key forwards normally take 3 to 5 years. With Jefferson it is: -JVR (in his 4th year). -Jefferson (in his 3rd year). -Schache (a back up KPF).

It's always been 3 x Cat B Rookies. It went to 2 only for the Covid years. There's been no official word yet, but all the talk is that list sizes and salary cap will be back to normal for 2023.

We can all have our opinions on whether to draft from WA again or not. It’s a given that every club will be drafting from every state over the course of time. It’s a national comp, and every recruiter and list manager has a responsiblity to get quality players and quality people through the door. If there’s more players going home these days, the only thing that will happen is if there’s 2 players they’re choosing from and they can barely split them from best available or list needs, the local boy will get picked. If there’s a clear stand out between the next 2 on their board, they’re picking the stand out regardless of where they’re from, unless this draftee has said he doesn’t want to move to Victoria. When I say ‘stand out’ or ‘barely can split them’, that’s taking into account everything (Physical attributes, mental attributes, list needs etc.)

It's always been 3 x Cat B Rookies. It went to 2 only for the Covid years. There's been no official word yet, but all the talk is that list sizes and salary cap will be back to normal for 2023. 15. Player Lists - 2017 (d) The number of Players referred to in clause 15(b) and 15(c) shall be Players included on the AFL Club’s Primary List and shall be in addition to the allowable number of Rookies, including nominated Rookies, as defined in the Rules. The maximum number of Rookies and Players on the Primary List shall be as follows: Primary List Size Category A Rookies Category B Rookies Total Rookies Maximum TOTAL 38 (Minimum) 6 3 9 (Maximum) 47 39 5 3 8 47 40 (Maximum) 4 3 7 (Minimum) 47 16. Player Lists – 2018 - 2022 (ii) The number of Players on the Club’s Category A Rookie List shall be not more than 6 provided that a Club must not have more than 44 Players on their Primary List and Category A Rookie List at any time; (iii) The number of Players on the Club’s Category B Rookie List shall be not more than 3.

You’re 100% right mate. I thought he had 1 year left for some reason.

To be honest, I think he would be on more than Weid was, as Schache signed at the end of 2019 after he scored 24 goals from 14 games as a 22 yr old. They wouldn’t have offered Weid much last year when he renewed and due to the very late draft pick we gave up for Josh, I suspect we’re taking on all his salary which is more than what he’s obviously worth

Has the 42 list size been finalised? I haven’t found anything on it. I always thought it was going back to pre covid rules of 44 + cat b rookies.

Ok cheers. He's normally credible. It's either clubs can have less than the normal 44 players, or Cal is wrong in his calculations. Another scenario is the AFL has changed it's stance on the minimum 38 primary list spots. Maybe we're doing a 36 primary and 8 rookie. In that case, we'd be taking 4 in the rookie draft!

I've heard this a couple of times. Has anyone heard the club say we're only taking 2 picks? I'm genuinely interested, as I've got them taking 3 or 4! If Chandler takes a primary list spot without us replacing his list spot, we've then got only 42 instead of 43 players like we had this year. Before the covid rules, you had to have 44 players all up excluding Cat B rookies. I've heard the covid rules are being scrapped, but I haven't heard if clubs are allowed to have less than 44 from 2023. If clubs do have to go back to 44 players, we'd need to add 4 in the draft, 2 rookie and Grundy. If Baker gets delisted, that's another we have to add. That would make it 38 Primary List / 6 CAT A Rookies. 38 was the minimum primary list players you could have. You could also do 39 primary and 5 rookie, or 40 and 4 to make up that 44.

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I know he signed a contract not long ago, but I hope we’ve been in Hayden Young’s ear. Peter Bell’s tiny little head will explode if we convinced Young to be traded haha!