Mt. Dee-Maaan

i don't want to argue back and forth over this, suffice to say both players have deep underlying deficiencies. it's just that personally, i believe that frost's are more easily fixed via coaching and game-time. oscar is soffffft. even if he adds another 5-10kg, he will be soft. he is a great kick, if not a bit slow (decision-making wise), but super reliable and doesn't make brain-fades like his brother used to. HOWEVER, he is not competitive. one of the very few in our team with this trait now (an essential trait of a defender if you ask me!). frost is competitive. sam lacks super-reliable foot-skills and composure now, but i believe they would come, in the same way that oscar has developed his. re: what the footy dept. will do.. you are probably right. i don't agree with it, but you are probably right. i understand o-mac doesn't need to be overly physical with so many of those types now in our backline. however, in pointing out how much turnovers coming out of our backline kill us, you are turning a blind eye to the one-on-one disasters that o-mac is consistently involved in. whether it be buddy or a lesser forward from a bottom club. the ball moves past him and oscar takes an eternity to JOG back after it. just no desperation. no balls-to-the-wall attitude that we get from hibberd, jetta, and frost. again, each to their own, this is merely my opinion.

i'd argue there's more chance than frost improving his footskills and composure than o-mac suddenly finding *hardness*

the king bros will go much lower in the draft i think.. every club from interstate will be put off and some clubs like saints and dees will be put off by the idea of years of development needed for them.. i reckon they may fall to 10-15. rankine could be a surprise first pick. also bailey smith. the other vic kid touted as first is a bit vanilla for mine.. we could even get the vanilla kid at 5 and it would be a good addition, but not ZOMG amazing.

not sure i like this.. already way too much media, time and $ spent on the trade period as it is.. the season should be a marathon and a war of attrition, if teams cannot plan ahead and have enough depth, than bad luck..

please read the thread. i wasn't suggesting we get a king boy - i said bailey williams or rozee.

DUDE! he is about to be traded/delisted. if that isn't something that leads you to believe that his heart/drive could be a possible issue, i donna knowa whata is-a. fingers crossed he works out, but not holding my breath. i hope you do though, after dissing other posters on here that have questioned his merits.

THIS. love it.

i'd argue a mid-late first, not that it really matters.. its a lottery i guess. he was taken then, has had development, got over his draft year injury and is a really good up and coming player.

very impressive in the GF, but might be too many list changes already.. can't believe that pies can't fit him in?! how much is howe getting???!

personally i am ethically pretty against this loophole.. it's there for a reason, but if its been used before and we can navigate it, why not?

wow, i'd never heard of this?! crazy.. keen!

that will just never ever happen.. worth a try though. why would they let us and no other club? not really fair just cos we might wanna use it to get kelly or something. i'd be happy to get may and a really good kid that's ready to go, just not sure that there will be one left at 5/6 that won't be a flight risk/defender/lanky lad.

totally agree. need a fast mid, but looking at the phantom drafts, there's only one or two mentioned.. roezee is the best bet i think.

not the one we had wolfy.. this one: POS: Tall forward Ht 202cm, Wt 86kg, DOB 7/7/00 From Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro August ranking: 4 King continues his recovery from an early-season knee reconstruction which wiped out most of his draft campaign. The key forward was seen as a possible No.1 contender before the injury struck, and is still likely to be one of the first handful of players selected on draft night. King has been doing his rehabilitation program twice a week using St Kilda's facilities. He is an athletic tall who is as good in the air as he is when the ball hits the ground.

ya kidding.. a poor field kick? he releases slow, but his kicking is often sublime!

and wait how long for him to develop? i think we'd be after connor rozee (speed) or bailey smith, the vicco kid.. other clubs can develop the talls thanks.

slow list build freo, what can we tell ya?.. just lock in jesse this year and go from there. like we had to do. and we'll take 4 & 5 plus cerra or brayshaw thanks.

whaaaaaaat?

i'd prefer to vanders to stay and have a run without injuries, but if he can get a longer contract and more security elsewhere, he should take it. but, i wonder what he'd be worth in trade? there seems to be a 50/50 split on demonland whether or not vanders is essential to our style of play, or just a to-up player filling a role. would trading him get us something in the 30-40 range or 50+ pick range i wonder?

nothing at all.. i'm wearing one right now.

heard cal twomey ask the GC list manager about him on the Road to the Draft podcast.. sounds like he just hasn't found his groove up there. the language used indicated a pass for me. he might get a gig somewhere, but not melbourne or hawthorn!

a 65 year old old asian man that wears big yellow glasses whilst playing blackjack? probably regularly wears a hat too. and safari shirts.

the people's champion!

i wonder if we'd look at fasolo as a crumbling forward?.. i'd rather gamble on him than anyone from the saints.

try withdrawing milk from your diet for a few weeks and get back to me.