ManDee

Why? If you don't like it don't read it and don't post in it. Simple.

Sparrow = Fart

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Thanks Saty.

It may have been your comparison to suit your argument. At the end of 2010 season Riewoldt had played 68 games and was 21 yo. Jesse started this season as a 23 yo. You are now twisting this to make a case. You made claims about 40-50 goal forward (which he is capable of but he is unreliable), now it is possessions. The fact is even when comparing him to a player 2 years his junior he is not as reliable as a forward nor does he kick as many goals. Sam Weideman is a 21 yo forward. I can compare him to midfielder if you like but that is not what you were talking about, a 40-50 goal a year forward. As an aside to a derailment , we could have picked Riewoldt instead of Frawley. Bay I think we can agree that we have traded a very good player, it will be a loss. PS: I met Ray Biffen when I was a kid, nice guy.

No he is not! At the same age Riewoldt averaged 2.8 goals per game Hogan 2.4 Hogan at 22yo kicked 20 goals from 10games - Riewoldt at 22 yo kicked 78 from 22 games Hogan at 23 this year kicked 47 goals from 20 games - Riewoldt at 23 in 2011 22 games 62 goals Riewoldt tends to not miss matches Hogan has missed 41 Do I need to go on? In the last 2 years Hogan has kicked 67 goals at the same age Riewoldt kicked 140 over 2 years. Don't make stuff up. Edit: Data courtesy of Footywire - also fixed a typo on stats-had goals & games reversed https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=9&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=T&pid1=3916&pid2=1731&fid1=O&fid2=O

I question that he is worth 40-50 goals per year when his career average is 31. He is capable of 70 in my opinion, but I don't think he will ever make it. Does that mean that I under rate him, I don't know. Some of our best wins over the last few years have been without Hogan, so time to move on, he wanted to go home, I want us to win a flag and I truly believe we will be better without Hogan. Sorry for the off topic rantings. I think Corey Wagner could be a good pick up, he was very good at Casey and should help to provide more depth to our list.

You are not reading what I said and are implying things that I didn't say. My point was that he has been unable for many reasons to play a full season. I place no blame on him for that, it is merely a statement of fact. Fact: Hogan has missed 41 games out of a possible 112 Hogan is a very talented player that for many reasons has missed many games. We are in the window for a premiership and I really think we can be better served with a forward line including talls T Mac -Weid- Preuss/Gawn than with Hogan & no Preuss/Gawn. I do not think that Preuss/Gawn will kick as many goals as Hogan but I think the 2 ruckman structure will help the overall team result. That is my opinion. To put it simply I think we will be a more successful side without Hogan than we were with him, only time will tell. Fact: Hogan kicked 152 goals over 5 seasons averaging 31 per season. Fact: Hogan missed 41 games. Opinion: Hogan is a very good player when available.

When did we hold him back? Can he play a full season? Edit: We gave him 5 full seasons, he wasn't up to it. NB: Jeff Garlett 2017 averages 2.0 goals per game or 1.8 for his career. If he can get back there is your 40-50 goals.

You never let up on this Hogan business so neither will I. Hogan has never kicked 50 goals in a season, he averages 38 goals per completed season. Drafted 2012, 2013 - not eligible 2014 - No games - injured 2015 - 20 games as a 20 year old - 44 goals 2016 - 21 games 41 goals 2017 - 10 games 20 goals 2018 - 20 games 47 goals Hogan has kicked 152 goals, played 71 games. 5 years on list for 71 games In the time he has been available to play we have played 112 games Hogan has missed 41 games injured/illness/suspension averaging under 31 goals per season since available. Averages 2.1 goals per game played. On those figures he will never kick 50 goals in season. Yes he is a good player, a superstar he is not. Tom MacDonald this year averaged 2.6 goals per game which is better than Hogan has ever done. Edit:- Coleman medalist 2018 Jack Riewoldt 2.9 goal per game. Since 2014 Riewoldt has played in 115 games missing none. Or in the same time that Hogan has kicked 152 goals Riewoldt has kicked 287. Hogan is no superstar.

Or the Olympic Marathon or the Tour de France! Come to think of it, it's a [censored] idea.

But did you see the photo of Preuss monstering him? Wow Preuss is a unit.

Too easy!

Catherine Hawn or Jeanne Biegger?

Now what was it Trent Croad did?

Talk about unrealistic. Six in six has to be the aim, and if we drop one a full restructure would be required.

Red that would be a different joke and one regularly used by a late friend Master Evans.

Kent is a county not a country. reminds me of an old joke. What do you call the ruler of a principality - Prince What do you call the ruler of a kingdom - King What do you call the ruler of a country - ScoMo

Now you really are talking shyt Ernie. Miss a Melbourne Flag, are you insane? (Can a dead man be insane?) Jane get a grip, send me your holiday tickets and go to the grand final, enjoy yourself. For me sadly I will be in Italy watching on TV.

Someone - a Melbourne listed player (probably Weideman) They - Weideman or other Melbourne listed players like Preuss or Frost, Smith Few - more than one. I expect whoever takes Hogan's place will kick at least 1-2 goals per match. (Hogan 2.1) My point being that we are not 50 goals a season worse off and we will defend better. I expect our percentage to be better next season.

Lost 50 goal plus! Hogan has not kicked 50plus in a season. I imagine someone will replace Hogan and they should kick a few. So it is wrong to say we lost 50 goals.

Missing friends in Melbourne. Freo have said he is able to be in Melbourne midweek on compassionate grounds. Had a coffee & a dart with Goodwin, discussed coming home to Melbourne if a deal could be worked out

Theo, let it go. May & KK are peanuts? You could argue that we are not going to play with one less player and that the replacement player would kick some goals therefore not a loss of 50 goals. You could argue that Hogan out allowed Weed in and the net loss if any would be minimal. You could argue that limiting the opposition forward line by a similar amount has a similar effect. A point you may have missed is that Menzels lack of forward pressure may cost as many goals as he kicks. I don't mind giving him a go but if his forward pressure did not improve dramatically he would spend the year at Casey.

I would like to suggest that those asking for a thread to be closed be banned for 1 month. If the thread is going after the month ban them for life. There are too many killjoys in life, don't come here if you don't like it. It is not compulsory.

I don't agree. What if you have 4 really good ruckmen or the 6th best inside midfielder they could be surplus in one side or top five in another side with deficiencies in that area.