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Did he had any ideas on what we’d get for Hogan

The fact May has just said he is happy to go to 'Any Victorian Club' means we are in competition for his services and will need to give up pick 5, should we receive it.

But I thought we were in the window? An 18 year old second rounder going to make an impact next year you reckon? Lockhart could be the next Keilty or could be the next Fritsch. There is no point arguing, everyone rates players and decisions differently. I think we've been dudded.

Yep and he will be a direct swap for Hogan. Who do you rate more? Who has more upside? In 5 years, who wins that deal? We PUT Hogan out there and said you can take him, he is contracted, nothing but 2 first rounders. Freo called our bluff and we again pay overs for a bloke. Yes he will fill a need, but how many times have we been the club to yield in trade negotiations? This time we held the cards and still we lost the hand. That's my opinion of what has unfolded and I won't be changing it, unless miraculously tomorrow we land something else.

So remind me, how many people have we taken off our list and then tell me who you reckon we are replacing them with?

great deflection. Not what I have said at all. I could add Shiel, Gaff, Scully, Wingard....come on..you understand the point...there are players that are of more value than KK on the market and we have been hamstrung by the deal that has taken until the trade deadline to unfold for Hogan.

11 and 2nd rounder is about the same as what we are getting now if the reports are true. We will get Pick 5 which goes to the Suns for May. So if we had the balls, we would have made the Suns deal May for Pick 11 and a sweetner, but we didn't. We thought we'd get more. If the reports are true, we get May and KK, who we could have had for a thrird-rounder a week ago. Geez we have really won on this.

Nor me, but I don't think they are rubbish, and if you are going on that logic, what excites you about KK? You sound like a poster who creamed his pants over Harley Balic last year

So you reckon Mahoney's big coup for the trade period was Preuss (A VFL ruckman) and KK (a bloke who has played little football in several seasons). If that is all that we were in to, then we are sitting on our hands. Seeing hawthorn once again top up their list with QUALITY and Geelong adding Gary Rohan and Luke Dalhaus, makes me concerned about sides who finished around us doing more than we are o improve their lists. I fear that many hear just think AFL success is a natural progression and that we have the list to succeed because we made it to a Prelim and next year we will be better. If you dont continually improve your list, you are treading water or going backwards. What we have built thus far will hold us in good stead. However, there has been a departure of depth at the MFC and at this stage, as it sits right now, today, the 16th of October, we have landed one player...Braydon Preuss. Mahoney surely wasn't talking about him when he made comments last week.

Thank you. Amazing when somebody actually follows a logical and linear argument on here. It was well known we had several targets, according to Mahoney. With 28 hours left, we have traded Tyson for Preuss. Lost Kent and gained nothing else. So what I was alluding to was what are these other dominos that we hoped would fall. We have been held up and they may never fall?

Said it early on this trade period, if we allowed this to run the course of trade week, we'd be losing out on potential other deals. I seriously hope I am wrong. We have put a lot into this one deal, when it sounded like we could secure KK in a separate trade. Somehow we've been held ransom by Freo and have nothing in the pocket yet. Other clubs are in a similar position. I still feel as though we have not addressed an obvious midfield issue with pace. KK may or may not fulfill that need. He has played very little football in recent years and despite being a Pick 5 some years ago, isn't really anything to be excited about.

wait, so we afre now settling for pick 5 and 23 which goes to the Suns for May and KK respectively. Am I reading this right? I hope I am not. KK is similar to Kent in his output in recent years. We took a pick in the 60s for Kent and now we are using Pick 23 on KK? Surely that is not what I am reading. Surely a later pick goes to GCS for KK. Can someone update me on the state of play. I can't be bothered reading over the last 20 pages.

I love that we now have people throwing in the "throw Frost in and that'll do it" line. Frost was a lot better than Oscar at stages this year and if Lever goes down or May goes down, I'd rather Frost as a backup defender over everyone's favourite Casey legend, Declan Keilty or the legend in the making, Harrison Petty. Neither have shown anything to excite at AFL level. This circus is going to roll on until the end of next week. god help us all

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/hogan-call-first-then-demons-will-look-at-may Well, well, well. I thought we had asked Hogan to make his mind up before trade started and that we were assured by him and his manager that he would inform the club of his intentions prior to te commencement of trade week. It has clearly not happened and any 11th hour deals will now ultimately mean we are going to be hard pressed to facilitate a deal that lands us May. Even if, even if a deal is done on Hogan which gets us two top 10 picks, if this is drawn out til the end of next week, we will be looking at taking picks to the draft, which is nt what we want. I cannot understand why Hogan has not contacted the club and informed them.

Yep

So start of next season when Oliver isn’t ready rd 1-5 because he is recovering from his shoulder ops still, Viney has a delayed start as his ankles are not quite right yet and Jones is going slow coz he is aging, and there is no Tyson, Vanders and to a lesser extent Vince left on your list, what are we turning to? It’s a genuine question not aimed at starting a war, but rather asking you to tell me where you see the depth on our list? Are you foreseeing Billy stretch coming on? Is Maynard gonna have a breakout year? Is Kennedy-Harris finally gonna step up to AFL level? You can tell me injuries won’t happen, but I will tell you we survived this year because we had quality depth. I am concerned that the game is won and lost in the midfield and I think we ought to be trying to bolster what we are losing. I am not having a meltdown about anything happening right how, coz nothing is. My concern is not so much the Hogan for May deal, but the fact there is nothing coming back that addresses the loss of the depth we had. If I hear the KK is exactly that, I’ll fall off my chair. The bloke has barely played in two years. We did not lose to the Eagles coz Darling and Kennedy fired, we lost contested possession in th midfield and barely laid a tackle. No fullback would have been able to stop those two given how the ball was coming in.

Wait so I am the one worrying about hypotheticals that may not happen, and here we have someone predicting that Kelly is a certainty to leave and we are in the box seat coz we got a first rounder for next year.

Gotta keep this place interesting

Close the thread then. No point even discussing a hypothetical scenario according to this logic.

What’s the bigger fish we are frying then chef?

So we give up the momentum of this year, lose 11 players , bring in three and then hope we stay afloat to have a tilt at the 2019 draft and then open the window again in 2020. Is that really what you suggesting ?

My point exactly. We are not going for a five year plan. Taking a kid that can come in next year and impact is fine, waiting a year to draft a kid that may take 2 or three years to develop is stupid. Pure and simple. Hence my surprise at those suggesting that we just take next years first rounder. We need a pacey mid. Have needed this for three years. That is the priority. Anyone, I’m done . I’ve had a Xanax and a bottle of scotch, as suggested and now just look forward to Monday. I hope the deals are done swiftly.

I am not outraged at something that hasn’t happened, I am outraged that people on here are now pandering to media talk about what Hogan is actually worth. People have gone from we will only accept 2 first rounders to oh we will take next year’s first, coz we will just be able to pluck another key forward then. I mean, honestly, you all have no idea how difficult drafting is and just how hard it is to remain competitive at this level. This is the tightest the AFL has been in years and all clubs are looking at improving. If you get left behind for just one season, we’ll you will know what the Doggies have felt the last two seasons. While we won two finals this year, remember that we made finals by one game. One.

So you’d be comfortable with pick 5 for Steven May

Nowhere near it. I just can’t believe the full circle we have come on. In my view, and I have stated it earlier, we are playing a dangerous game. We have just made a prelim and are looking at turning over 11 blokes. We have no idea what is coming our way but there has been very little to get excited about at THIS STAGE! Hogan is a super talent and we hold the cards, he is contracted ffs, if we fold for a lesser deal it is bad PR and bad football department operations.