FireInTheBennelly

I wanted him in the draft and haven't seen anything that would change my mind. Yep.

Do these rules apply to brown paper bag payments? For the sake of the argument, let's call them 'Visys'.

I honestly don't know much about him, is he a small forward, a HF, can he roll through the midfield, wing? If he can play a crumbing role, we'd be mad not to have a long hard look.

Ok, apologies, must've missed that one.

Apparently we're drafting 2 kids, both going by the name Basil, with our 2 first rounders.

Interesting

This all begs the question. Which player would we accept? Personally I'd like Finlayson, but not sure they can let him go now Patton's out. Who else? I can't see anyone else I like that would be around the right value.

I thought players could only be traded until 7:30 tonight, after that point only picks can be traded? We surely won't be doing a trade without a very good player?

Starting to look like we're done? For this trade period anyway.

This suggests his issues this year were not mental health related, rather they were personal conflict related?

I'd say it's a classic distraction from the Bombers, because they aren't going to get what the fans want for a broken Daniher.

Wasn't it deemed an illegal substance purely because it wasn't an approved substance?

No cast offs, and no future first pick. It needs to be a genuinely good player or no deal. Their upside is huge, ours would need to be similar and I don't think a late first rounder in a dodgy draft would do it.

So here are some scenarios with GWS A. No trades happen Melbourne selects Green with pick 3. GWS matches the bid and is forced to use 1787 draft points (pick 3 2234 - 20% discount). This consumes their pick 6 and moves their next pick 40 back to around pick 42. B. GWS trades 6 and ‘ice cream’ for our pick 3. GWS picks up elite talent with pick 3 Worst case for GWS is that then at pick 4 Adelaide selects Green. GWS matches the bid and is forced to use 1627 draft points (pick 4 2034 – 20% discount). This consumes their remaining picks in the first 4 rounds this year (40, 59, 60) and another 1024 points off their first pick in the 2020 draft. They may pick up more points from a Bonar trade, but not enough to eliminate a deficit going into 2020. C. GWS trades 6 and ‘ice cream’ for our pick 3. GWS picks Green with pick 3, and their next pick is 40. Scenario A gives GWS their Academy star, while scenario B gives them a top end talent pick as well as their Academy star, but leaves them short next year. I don’t know what Academy talent they have coming through for next year, but it would be a big call to go into deficit. Scenario C gets them Green and the rest of their draft is unchanged. A and C are very similar for 2019, so I can’t see why they’d do a trade with us to simply pick up what they could without a trade including ‘ice cream’. It’s even worse for them if they trade us their 2020 first rounder as the ice cream. That would mean their 2020 deficit comes off their 2nd rounder. That would be a draft disaster I’d say. Whichever way you look at it, they won't be trading with us for 3, and then choosing Green with pick 3. We 100% need to know who they're after at 3 if we were to do a trade.

Pathetic isn't it.

Isn't the point of them trading up to 3 so they can pick up another player, then use later picks packaged up for Green. Why would you use a pick on a player when you can get him later for less?

Any deal with GWS shifting our pick 3 back to 6 needs to come with an agreement from GWS that they won't choose who we want at 6. e.g. If we're dropping back to pick 6 because we think pick 3 is too high for Stephens (just guessing a name), but then GWS use pick 3 on Stephens, we lose out on getting the player we wanted. We don't hold all the cards here, yes we have the good ones, but certainly not all of them.

I got the impression Orazio was a big wind up as well, purely to keep the druggos on the front page.

Sorry mate, I misinterpreted. You had me confused as you'd 'liked' an earlier explanation of mine, so I thought you agreed with me. Thanks for the assist

No Nascent I didn't miss your post. That's a different issue altogether. Essentially it means if we were to upgrade a rookie, that would be our last pick in the draft. So at this point, in the 6th round we must make a pick, either a new draftee, or a rookie upgrade. If people think we really only have 2 draft picks in this years draft, they better get on the phone to Mahoney immediately and let him know, as he's come out and said we're taking them to the draft. If we do that, according to a few on here, we'll be in breach of the 3 draft pick rule. What's the penalty? If Mahoney is purely posturing for a better trade, he should probably realise that all other clubs would know we'd be in breach of the rules and they may only offer us a 4th and 5th round pick for our first rounder, which we'd be forced to take. Can you see how ridiculous this is getting?

Oh man. Please tell me what pick number that would be? Oh and by the way we do have to make a 3rd pick according to the Rules At this stage it would be our 6th round pick. I can't tell you exactly what number that would be as most teams will have passed by then, so it could potentially be around the 70s. If you are desperate for me to give you an exact number, as it stands it would be pick 97, AKA the 2nd pick of round 6. And yes, I'm well aware we need to make 3 picks, as per the rules. I thought that would just mean we had 2 more spots on our list to fill. Yes we'd have 2 more list spots to fill whichever way we wish to fill them. Draft rounds 7 and 8 if we were that way inclined, or DFAs, PSD etc. Why are you insisting the draft ends after 5 rounds? That is simply not the case, and has never been the case. Go through the rules again if you like and highlight where it says the draft ends after 5 rounds. When you don't see that anywhere in the rules, ask yourself this question. Have we traded our 6th round selection? No. We can use a pick in the 6th round! I've been patient with you insisting your communication skills are the problem. They aren't. Your understanding of the situation is incorrect. FWIW though, I hope you are correct that we are still looking to trade in a player for our current suite of picks.

For all those panicking that we need to make a minimum of 3 draft selections, but we only have 2 left because we've traded out our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks, can you tell me which round was Jarrod Garlett drafted by Carlton in 2017?

If we have to make a 3rd pick, yes, we have a 3rd pick. If we wanted to delist JKH and Stretch right now, we could have another 2 picks on top of that. We can keep on picking draftees in as many rounds as we like (list spots permitting) until we either pass, or upgrade whatever rookies we wish. Put it this way. Have we traded out our 6th round pick? Have we traded any other picks in rounds after that? The draft does not end after 5 rounds.

Going on @Lucifer's Herocontracts thread, the following are our rookies. (Thanks Lucifer) Rookie List: Chandler: re-contract Dunkley: re-contract Lockhart: re-contract Bradke: re-contract If we're running with the 2 first round picks are we a possibility to upgrade Lockhart as our 3rd pick? I can't see the others as being upgrade candidates at this point.