Just wondering what everyone else thought about our handball skills. After seeing Yze mimic a female underhand volleyball player on the weekend, and Green lob handballs at players feet, I don't believe our senior players, in general, have good handball skills. If we are implementing run and carry (or a version of it when needed) then these skills hopefully will be developing in our younger brigade, otherwise look out for another year like last.

So what are peoples thoughts, who has these skills, and who does not? DB is a smart man, and hopefully developing a plan on the skills we do have.

Just wondering what everyone else thought about our handball skills. After seeing Yze mimic a female underhand volleyball player on the weekend, and Green lob handballs at players feet, I don't believe our senior players, in general, have good handball skills. If we are implementing run and carry (or a version of it when needed) then these skills hopefully will be developing in our younger brigade, otherwise look out for another year like last.

So what are peoples thoughts, who has these skills, and who does not? DB is a smart man, and hopefully developing a plan on the skills we do have.

Do you really expect to see the best skills in the nab cup. some teams have ok skills and dont get much better during the season while other teams make quick fixes on them. they do know how to handball, there just rusty and takes some time

Just wondering what everyone else thought about our handball skills. After seeing Yze mimic a female underhand volleyball player on the weekend, and Green lob handballs at players feet, I don't believe our senior players, in general, have good handball skills. If we are implementing run and carry (or a version of it when needed) then these skills hopefully will be developing in our younger brigade, otherwise look out for another year like last.

So what are peoples thoughts, who has these skills, and who does not? DB is a smart man, and hopefully developing a plan on the skills we do have.

Fair call. As occo says, don't expect too much in the NAB cup, but I agree they were woeful. Half the problem is that our handball is brainless. Handpasses BEHIND running players, or down around their knees. The fact that many of these errors are occurring when the handballer is under next to no pressure is the most worrying aspect.

With skills training, as much as I am loathe to say it, it really does seem to be a case of you can't teach an old dog new tricks. At best you can try and refine them, and hope they come off a little better on matchday, but players who have been handballing poorly for 10 years are going to struggle to adopt a new technique and apply it in a pressure situation.

Just wondering what everyone else thought about our handball skills. After seeing Yze mimic a female underhand volleyball player on the weekend, and Green lob handballs at players feet, I don't believe our senior players, in general, have good handball skills. If we are implementing run and carry (or a version of it when needed) then these skills hopefully will be developing in our younger brigade, otherwise look out for another year like last.

So what are peoples thoughts, who has these skills, and who does not? DB is a smart man, and hopefully developing a plan on the skills we do have.

Is that Colin Sylvia in your Avatar? :D

I thought some of our handball work was actually quite good, Jones seemed to have a little more poise in that department.

There were a few shockers around particularly by our senior players but I also remeber a few passages of play where we used our hands quite well, stringing 3-4 handballs together which never happened last year.

Valenti? Surely his hands were solid? He certainly had plenty in the "H" column...

It's Colin Sylvia alright, no doubt about it!

I don't expect high class in NAB cup, but seeing Yze and Green on the weekend reminded me that our strength in 2006 was our footskills. I see the names Valenti and Jones mentioned, are these not our younger brigade?

If we are relying on our older players to carry us again, it isn't going to be through run and carry and handball skills that get us W's. It's the footskills and hopefully a good run of health. I hope I am wrong about the old dogs, and that they are highly skilled handballers this year. It was great seeing young blokes on the weekend, I'd rather see them stuff up than Godfrey, Ward, Nicho and Brown.

It's one thing to handball to a target and make the right decision to do so, but another to get said handball to target with the right "weight' on it.

It's not so much the skills that bother me, but the stupidity with which they are executed.

No wonder Bailey is putting them all through school. So far it seems as though many of them don't understand the concept of handballing to advantage. They handball for the sake of moving the ball quickly, but if your teammate is not in a far better position than you, you have to KICK the damn thing and at least get the ball out of the danger zone. That was my biggest issue last season. I don't mind the run and carry game plan, but in order to execute it properly you need 22 smart footballers. It's not good always taking the 'move it on at all costs' option, and hopefully what we saw on Saturday is Bailey trying to get it all out of their system, before trailing the real game plan.

It's not so much the skills that bother me, but the stupidity with which they are executed.

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Execution is very much part of skills.

Execution is very much part of skills.

I dont agree. Hitting targets can be worked on and some players have great skills in this area.

Handballing to stationary teammates, calling for the ball when you are not in a better position and not being aware enough to realise your mate is actually in a worse position are all awareness problems.

They can be practised and theorys may be workshopped but they are not the same.

FWIW Richmond are much worse than us in this area and that is our best hope of beating them on the weekend.

Umm thats if we want to win on the weekend. I keep forgetting the secret plan of "getting under the radar".

I dont agree. Hitting targets can be worked on and some players have great skills in this area.

Handballing to stationary teammates, calling for the ball when you are not in a better position and not being aware enough to realise your mate is actually in a worse position are all awareness problems.

They can be practised and theorys may be workshopped but they are not the same.

FWIW Richmond are much worse than us in this area and that is our best hope of beating them on the weekend.

Umm thats if we want to win on the weekend. I keep forgetting the secret plan of "getting under the radar".

I dont see how you can isolate targets and timing when you are in the game. I dont see how you can have a skill without having the ability to execute it in a game. Each to their own

Richmond are an ordinary side. However they should be more [censored] off than us about the weekend. They put up a near full strength team (bar Coughlan) against St Kilda and were ordinary. I doubt whether we will have a significantly different side on the weekend in Cairns and the Tigers would be out to redeem themselves. I would not be surprised if the Tigers win comfortably on the weekend if they click. However I would not be surprised if the Tigers emulate where I think they will finish this year.....Bottom with a different coach.