dont try justify urself..... u have cornered urself

u said it clear and simple... hes too old.... and thats ur problem. u cant see a players worth once he has reached a certain age bracket

the harvey compared to bizzel is irrelevant to ur argument .......of 30 is too old how on earth would a 35 year old make ur best 22

my argument does not concern bizzel but rather ur generalised comments and thoughts towards older players...

Why don't you quote my entire post, instead of neatly editing out what you like?

I wrote that he's a fringe player, and the fact that he's 30 puts him high up on the list of 'gonners'. Go back and quote the entire reply next time!

CB, don't kid yourself, Bizzell isn't in most people's best 22, including our current coaching staff, who, may I remind you, did not play him until it was the absolutely last resort this season, and dropped him last week.

With a fit Rivers, Bartram, Petterd etc ... he just does not fit into our best backline.

In fact, he's lucky to have held a gun to our head 3 seasons ago, to get a long contract, or he wouldn't be on our list this year to begin with.

Look, he isn't the worst player on our list, not even close. He has skills, but his role is very limited.

If we're going to be honest with ourselves, we need to cut down the list and start building a team around the younger players who will help us win a flag in the future (one would hope). Bizzell just doesn't fit into that plan, and nor do a lot of other players.

What I dont get is how u are expected to get off the bottom with a team of young inexperienced players. Its all about getting the balance between young & old to lead the younger players

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There is no editing going on this website.

CB, don't kid yourself, Bizzell isn't in most people's best 22, including our current coaching staff, who, may I remind you, did not play him until it was the absolutely last resort this season, and dropped him last week.

They also dropped PJ last week and used Holland in the ruck.

Does that mean they think Holland is a better ruckman?

They also dropped PJ last week and used Holland in the ruck.

Does that mean they think Holland is a better ruckman?

Don't you mean : "Does that mean they think????? No strong evidence from the coaching group all 2007!

One of Bruce or Green need to go at the end of the year. I'm hoping it will be the former, he has greater currency and i suspect is on more $$$.

With respect, that suggestion is rubbish..we barely have any players with class who are capable of winning or turning a game as it is..too much mediocrity in our list to consider trading anyone with class..shows what a good job Danners did with the list he had available..not one superstar in the past decade !

They also dropped PJ last week and used Holland in the ruck.

Does that mean they think Holland is a better ruckman?

PJ and Carroll have cemented their place on the list, Bizzell is hanging on by a thin thread and they dropped him... much like CJ.

On the Demons Bandwagon, it doesn't surprise me that you don't understand what I'm saying.

We have a big chunk of experienced players who make up a core of our best 22 (Neita, White, Robbo, McDonland, Bruce, Green, TJ etc...). What we don't need, is to carry around fringe players on the list with no scope for improvement. We've been doing it for too long, and it hasn't helped us.

PJ and Carroll have cemented their place on the list, Bizzell is hanging on by a thin thread and they dropped him... much like CJ.

How can you differentiate between dropping PJ and Carroll despite being "cemented" in the team and dropping Bizzell who is "hanging on by a thread"?

Despite the fact that "most people" agree that Bizzell has been one of Melbourne's best defender's this year.

How can you differentiate between dropping PJ and Carroll despite being "cemented" in the team and dropping Bizzell who is "hanging on by a thread"?

Despite the fact that "most people" agree that Bizzell has been one of Melbourne's best defender's this year.

I can think of a couple of reasons -

Carroll regularly takes a key position (FB), while Bizz more often takes the third tall.

Carroll is far younger than Bizz, mid-20's versus wrong side of 30.

Carroll has played senior footy regularly in recent times, whereas Bizz hasn't.

His age has in no way affected how he plays. His only realy injury concerns have been bone fractures (i.e. his leg and cheek / jaw).

I'm not suggesting that Melbourne give him another three years, however he does deserve at least one more.

Next year is the future.

Warnock is still young, but has shown very little. Same with CJ. They might be late bloomers, but nothing has suggested (from what I've seen) that this will happen.

You cannot deny that Bizzell has been very good this year and did not deserve to be dropped last week because of form. You've got to remember too that he missed a year of AFL football and pretty much just stepped back in as if nothing had changed.

Everytime im on here I see people saying trade Green and Bruce. ARE YOU ALL INSANE!!

They are the only talent we have the only reason they should get traded is that they deserve a good supporting cast!!

I guarantee if we trade them, especially Bruce, he will win a brownlow and we will look like IDIOTS!

Everytime im on here I see people saying trade Green and Bruce. ARE YOU ALL INSANE!!

They are the only talent we have the only reason they should get traded is that they deserve a good supporting cast!!

Trading will and should only be done if you can get someone who is guaranteed to fill a particular void or improve the list in any way.

Unfortunately you can only get something if you give something, and Bruce, for better or worse, is probably our highest priced commodity.

That being said he should not be touched unless we are guaranteed to get ourselves something a hell of a lot better, or more needed.

Because otherwise what is the point !!!