now its funny when i say some total rubbish.... the respone i get.

Week in week out ... players like green johnstone and bruce give their all and are our best playres yet still cop flack.... drop this person etc...

If anyone has to be dropped its YZE MAGIK

Bruce gives his all every week?

Green gives his all every week?

Johnstone gives his all every week?

I didn't see Bruce or Johnstone standing up at the start of the year when 3 of our leaders were out injured. I didnt see Green standing up either. Or giving his all. I don't know about you, but Green is the epitome of inconsistent.

You need to start watching the game more and stop having Bruce's babies. Seriously, the guy is an overrated, overpaid dud who can't kick a ball properly. It's no good having a good game when it's against poor opposition. He was shocking today when we didnt have a glimpse of hope from our other leaders who do give it their all every week (Neitz, McDonald). Bruce was no where to be seen when we needed him today.

I am not sure if cleaning out those players is going to make us a better team. But, i do think we won't be a consistently competitive team, until the likes of Jones, Bate, McLean and Dunn are our leaders.

Going foward, i think ND needs to go. And Brock becomes captain if he can see the rest of the year out without injury. If Cam Bruce is next captain, we are goners.

I am not sure if cleaning out those players is going to make us a better team. But, i do think we won't be a consistently competitive team, until the likes of Jones, Bate, McLean and Dunn are our leaders.

Going foward, i think ND needs to go. And Brock becomes captain if he can see the rest of the year out without injury. If Cam Bruce is next captain, we are goners.

Yep. Truth right there.

Harsh on Green. When he's been there he's gotten plenty of the ball, and he has been injured and underdone... But I get your point... I'm making excuses..

What a great Effort

We are now .11% off moving into 16th Position

What a great Effort

We are now .11% off moving into 16th Position

I'd rather finish last then anywhere in the vicinity of 8th-11th which is where I think we will.

All 5 possesions and 2 marks and 2 marks.... yer hes been sooo good.... open ur eyes u idiot.....

Ok. Take a breath. Sylvia has been sensational in the past 2 weeks. Kicked 6, and that's a good return, particularly considering today where we didn't go inside fifty much. If you're going to campaign for the sacking of Y_M, you should probably have a good honest look at who is ACTUALLY playing well.

The truth is, and this is a simple statement of fact, that players like Green, Bruce and Trav... all matchwinners on their day... are supposed to lead the club through the guts, out of half-back and in the clinches. It's no coincidence that THAT'S where we were thumped today. Our defenders in deep were given nothing to work with... Carroll had a heap of the footy and was still towelled. Bell and Petterd tried hard deep. But Green and Bruce who were supposed to pump it up the ground from the HB line were severely smashed. Our midfielders were led by JMac (fair enough) and Godfrey..... Godfrey. He's a goer, no mistake, and I love his desperation but it's not up to him to get us our clearances against one of the best midfields in living memory. they're our B-graders.

Green, Bruce and Trav are ABSOLUTELY in their prime, and we are losing match after match after match.

Now say what you like, that injuries are to blame, and that they are trying hard and getting the possessions we need... bbut the simple statement of fact is that this is THEIR time to own the comp, and they are doing the opposite. The net result of their hardest and best efforts is being Stone Motherless Last.

Now say what you like about Y_M. The man can say some outrageous things... But this was one of his more contained... We are, in all likelihood, not going to win a flag in the next 4-6 years, which is the time when Trav, Bruce and Green are making their mark. So what do we do? Personally i don't think trading your quality for high draft picks HELPS your young list. I reckon having good players giving an example is more important... so for me, I say keep them. But the idea is fairly sound.

Y_M speaks a strange and wonderful language. He understands the vernacular of these sites better than most. He knows that if you write something serious (like this) no-one will listen. If you write something extreme, people stand up and take notice. From what he's written, I read this between the lines:

"I actually think Bruce, Green and Trav are good players. They are among the only ones with any trade value, and in their time unfortunately we are unlikely to see a flag. In order to win in a trade you have to trade something good to get something good. It's no good saying to trade ferguson, who no-one wants."

In the end, while extreme, it's a fairly sound theory in many ways. If a new coach came in and identified our mature players as soft, I'd imagine he'd look to offload a couple too. Like I say I don't necessarily agree, and I'm on your side, but I'm not about to shoot down the concept of trading players who are not going to see a flag at the MFC.

Oh, and McLean and Sylvia will prove themselves to you soon enough. getting on their backs just seems daft to me.

I'd rather finish last then anywhere in the vicinity of 8th-11th which is where I think we will.

Why do you bother?

Why do you bother?

With what??? I mean that if we aren't going to make the finals, finishing 9th-12th is pointless when you can finish 13th-16th and get a higher draft pick.

yea im with you and apperentley the number 1 draft pick is a 2001cm ruckman? just what we need!!

yea im with you and apperentley the number 1 draft pick is a 2001cm ruckman? just what we need!!

Oh my God!! This enormous man will devour us all!!!!!!

Jeff Farmer was not happy at Melbourne. Let's be honest with ourselves. Lyon left and he was home sick. His partner and kid were back in Perth. It happens. We didnt trade him because he sucked. We traded him because he requested it. Every other team that gets trade request fulfils them. or tries too.

Woewodin won a brownlow in 2000, got a contract extension and then played for money. He wasnt even in our top 10 B&F for 2 straight years and was earning 350,000+. Financially, he was a disaster and wasnt worth it. We traded him to Collingwood, where he choked and eventually got the sack.

We have a good team as compared to who? To the other 5 or 6 teams that are miles behind the likes of WC. No point of having a good team when 2 or 3 teams are great. Players like Bruce, Green etc will never be great. Good, but never great.

$500k....

$500k....

Really....

Even worse...