7 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

But calling him an "ultimate professional" is the sort of statement that turns my stomach.  He is grossly undisciplined on field 

This is not "ultimate professional" behaviour.  This is undisciplined arrogance.  

Hawthorn have won 13 premierships in 50 years by being arrogant.  Hawthorns leaders like Matthews, Scott, Brereton, Dipper, Lewis, Hodge etc all got suspended, all gave away 50m penalties, all could be called undisciplined.  I’m happy to take the occasional “undisciplined act” to get some of that  culture into Melbourne, and hope Lewis gets his 5th flag.  Even if he doesn’t,  he is sure helping by turning up in peak condition and showing the list what it takes to take the next step.  

18 hours ago, deeology said:

The obvious reason he decked Cripps was that Cripps was killing us and Carlton were threatening to run over the top of us. Cripps was being a cocky little punt and Lewis reminded him he was playing AFL against a tough demon outfit.

Did he go to far ... yes. Did that win us the game ... most likely

 

I also remember Jordie mentioning that there was some stuff going on under the packs that needed to be rectified.

There is a reason why Dermie made that 'gentleman's club' comment last year after the Geelong game  (though his target was wrong as Bernie had never fit the mould of the Melbourne Club attending public school boy). We are so obsessed in how others view us but aren't interested in getting the job done. 

I always go back to our reaction to Essendon intimidation in the 2000 Grand Final and their reaction to it in the Line in the Sand game. See which response brought about a better club culture.

 

Edited December 7, 20186 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

On 12/6/2018 at 4:02 PM, Baghdad Bob said:

I have been a harsh critic and still am of Lewis but he was much better last year than I expected.  But calling him an "ultimate professional" is the sort of statement that turns my stomach.  He is grossly undisciplined on field probably costing us a finals position in his first year because for some unknown reason he decked Cripps 30 meters off the ball causing him to miss 3 weeks including a 4 point loss to Freo.

Last year he followed up by giving away a 50m penalty against Geelong in the first game costing a goal and the game.  Why?  Arguing with the umpire.

This is not "ultimate professional" behaviour.  This is undisciplined arrogance.  He is an enigma because he does a lot right but also has glaring weaknesses. It will be interesting to see when the footy department think the benefits no longer outweigh the weaknesses.

Whatever Lewis' failings he has the mindset of a winner.  

Has he imparted that to the team? I am not in the inner sanctum and neither are you anymore.

These are the intangibles that outsiders cannot judge. 

He could yet be a key reason we win a flag.

On 12/5/2018 at 10:33 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

boy there is some negativity here

no one in the VFL side last year took his place and everyone knew it was up for grabs.

Let's see if one of them can take it this year. Personally I think his dedication etc is what we have been missing for twenty odd years if not more.

It seems that although he was involved in the winning of 4 premierships at Whoreform, and is working away at getting another gong as a leader and participant at the MFC, Jordan does appear to be a total Demon convert who ignores his historically glorious past for a very enthusiastic dip with our new Club, young players and the whole MFC experience - and culture; this reminds me of the sentiments and supporting behaviours of Paul Roos. It is about time that we had broader commitment of this nature - we must be doing something correct in the eyes of several past champions.