Not sure who you're having a go at here mate but all I can see in your post is that you've cut and pasted bits and pieces.

My post was this.

...and I stand by it. Getting your head knocked off backing into a pack does not prove you are an inside player and Jimmy T is not.

I have never said he's an inside player. I have debated the notion of him being soft, as others of your ilk imply. My examples are simply to illustrate this fact as you and your mates constantly overlook Toump's hardness. He goes when he has to. His role has never been an "inside" role. Look at his tapes. With a decent midfield around him you will see this. He is a very good user of the ball. Given the time and opportunity, he will show this when PR sees fit.

He's definitely an outside player at the moment and needs to develop an inside game, that's code for get his own ball.

Correct, he is an outside mid. Has played high half forward in his 2 AFL games. At Casey, playing hbf rotating onto the wing and using those skills superbly.

Salem and Toump to come in this week.

I have never said he's an inside player. I have debated the notion of him being soft, as others of your ilk imply. My examples are simply to illustrate this fact as you and your mates constantly overlook Toump's hardness. He goes when he has to. His role has never been an "inside" role. Look at his tapes. With a decent midfield around him you will see this. He is a very good user of the ball. Given the time and opportunity, he will show this when PR sees fit.

He is one of the softer players in the team in the JW category, stop making out he is a hard nut, because at the moment he is not. Just because some bloke knocked him out in Alice doesn't make him any softer, and we know the rest, sublime skills etc

He is one of the softer players in the team in the JW category, stop making out he is a hard nut, because at the moment he is not. Just because some bloke knocked him out in Alice doesn't make him any softer, and we know the rest, sublime skills etc

Your a dill. No point is there really. Maybe if you cast aside your delusions of grandeur you would see things a lot clearer. Seeya later oh ye King of the Keyboard.

Your a dill. No point is there really. Maybe if you cast aside your delusions of grandeur you would see things a lot clearer. Seeya later oh ye King of the Keyboard.

Fair enough.

I have never said he's an inside player. I have debated the notion of him being soft, as others of your ilk imply. My examples are simply to illustrate this fact as you and your mates constantly overlook Toump's hardness. He goes when he has to. His role has never been an "inside" role. Look at his tapes. With a decent midfield around him you will see this. He is a very good user of the ball. Given the time and opportunity, he will show this when PR sees fit.

You won't have found me saying he's soft anywhere on this forum, in fact you won't find me saying anyone that plays AFL is soft.

You will see that I have been disappointed in his output to date and expected a bit more from him after seeing some of his SA senior football. I have been surprised at how he has been pushed out of the contest way too easily. He needs to address this before he will make an impact at AFL level.

I've also been disappointed in his kicking, which is his strength. A lot of his kicks have been dinky give and gets, he is a much better kick than this and I'm sure he will use this kicking weapon better with more experience and good coaching.

You won't have found me saying he's soft anywhere on this forum, in fact you won't find me saying anyone that plays AFL is soft....Fair enough.

You will see that I have been disappointed in his output to date and expected a bit more from him after seeing some of his SA senior football. I have been surprised at how he has been pushed out of the contest way too easily. He needs to address this before he will make an impact at AFL level...shouldn't be surprised. Hip Ops affect your core strength, but point taken.

I've also been disappointed in his kicking, which is his strength. A lot of his kicks have been dinky give and gets, he is a much better kick than this and I'm sure he will use this kicking weapon better with more experience and good coaching.

...agreed. His kicking could be better, but what have his options been? No forward structure to kick to in general, but he has fluffed a few admittedly. Agree with the back end of your comment. I'm not an apologist for anyone, it's just that I would hate to see the Toump,have to put up with the same JWR stuff for the next 5 years.

JWR, not JWR!

Meanwhile, still awaiting your continued thoughts on leadership Machsy.

You can keep waiting.

I'm not going to go over well-worn and frequently discussed ground.

If you need it explained to you that there's more to leadership than onfield actions, then there's not much I'm going to be able to do to help you.

You can keep waiting.

I'm not going to go over well-worn and frequently discussed ground.

If you need it explained to you that there's more to leadership than onfield actions, then there's not much I'm going to be able to do to help you.

It is on-field leadership that we have lacked since Neitz.