this is really what people may have said honestly.

• 1 Matthew Warnock- Not great, but did the job
• 2 Nathan Jones- very good
• 3 Clint Bartram- solid defender and a great vice captain
• 4 Jack Watts- promising
• 5 Jordan Gysberts- everyone had high hopes for this guy.
• 6 Matthew Bate- actually had a good 2010 and was supposed to be ok
• 7 Jamie Bennell- not great
• 8 James Frawley- gun
• 9 Jack Trengove-gun
• 10 Cale Morton-wasnt that bad in 2010 got gradually worse though
• 12 Colin Sylvia- gun
• 13 Jordie McKenzie- developing as a tagger
• 14 Lynden Dunn ?? sshh
• 15 Ricky Petterd supposed to be good
• 16 Jack Grimes
• 18 Brad Green (c)- probably best on list
• 19 Addam Maric ?? shakes head
• 20 Colin Garland- good player
• 21 Lucas Cook ?? what happened here? we never played him
• 22 Brent Moloney (vc) had an amazing year
• 24 Liam Jurrah gun
• 27 Jared Rivers (vc)
• 28 Joel Macdonald ??
• 31 Tom Scully we had no control
• 33 Austin Wonaeamirri ?? not fit enough. I think it was rhino who was the first to start snorting he's over weight.
• 34 Stefan Martin we tried and so did he
• 35 Luke Tapscott young developing
• 36 Aaron Davey (vc) rubbish
• 37 Max Gawn young
• 38 Jeremy Howe could already see how exciting he wad becoming
• 39 Neville Jetta-
• 40 Mark Jamar- gun
• 41 Troy Davis
• 42 Jake Spencer
• 43 Tom McDonald
• 44 Rohan Bail
• 46 Sam Blease
• 47 James Strauss
• 48 Jack Fitzpatrick
• 26 Robert Campbell ??
• 29 Michael Newton ??
• 30 Tom McNamara ??
• 45 Kelvin Lawrence ??
• 49 Daniel Nicholson
• 50 Michael Evans
• 52 Cameron Johnston ??

holes everywhere, nowhere near good enough for anything, but there was some experience on that list... but little class, & less hardness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Melbourne_Football_Club_season#Squad_for_2011_season

My take is simple.

Neeld has coached the spirit out of the MFC.

He wanted robots, now he has robots.

Professor nutjob, you've done it again.

My take is simple.

Neeld has coached the spirit out of the MFC.

He wanted robots, now he has robots.

Professor nutjob, you've done it again.

think your right about robots

we dont have any personality at the club

i remember rattan was going to be sacked and could still raise a smile and have a laugh

im not trying to be funny about this, its all glum looks no matter what happens, just glum nothing beats that other than a bit of personality

think your right about robots

we dont have any personality at the club

i remember rattan was going to be sacked and could still raise a smile and have a laugh

im not trying to be funny about this, its all glum looks no matter what happens, just glum nothing beats that other than a bit of personality

You are right about shortage of personalities post-Robbo yet Grimseyisgod is calling Davey rubbish! I give up!

Very true Jazza. I think Neeld should go as it is his responsibility to get some of these blokes up to standard. However, some of them just aren't going to make it. We need a 1998 style clean-out where the criteria isn't 'will you be in our next premiership in 10 years time?'. The criteria should be 'Can you play?' (full stop). For too long, we have picked blokes up who we think will get us to where we need to be in ten years time and experimental players. FFS, stuff all that pie in the sky crap and get some blokes who look likely types.

I have high regard for your views Colin, but I don't think anyone can judge the players on the list at present. When a team is thrashed each week confidence plummets. And confidence is everything in this game. A number who looked good in 2010/11 presently look awful. What worries me most is the 4 fellows from other clubs who were not up to it at their old homes, and are no good with us. And we wil be paying them for years.

Despite the comments of some, the list was young and promising when the present coach was appointed. Sure, it had faults but there was plenty to work with. Now the list has been butchered in my view.

Your post demonstrates the consequential errors that occur from a faulty premise.

You launch by saying our list was ready to cause damage in 2012. That was, and is, incorrect. It follows that everything from that point on is also incorrect.

In 2012, we had the worst midfield in the AFL.

In 2013, we have the worst midfield in the AFL, but Viney and Toumpas at least.

You cannot be successful with the worst midfield in the AFL.

Mate, I think you would be wise not to be rude! What you fail to mention is that between 2011 and 2012, the club downgraded its senior players. Left the last 3 b and f winners out of the leadership group. Humiliated them in my view.

Another poster has again suggested that Moloney sulked because he was not made captain. That's not the view of the players. The previous year after letting himself down, and being dropped from Leadership, he played his socks off and won the Bluey. Not my picture of a sook! True, Mark Neeld can hardly be blamed for the loss of Sculy, but surely his first task was to get the utmost out of his senior men

Another poster challenges the worth of the 2011 list. That list beat Adelaide and Freo by 16 goals, and both played senior finals in 2012. Remind me where we finished!

Mate, I think you would be wise not to be rude! What you fail to mention is that between 2011 and 2012, the club downgraded its senior players. Left the last 3 b and f winners out of the leadership group. Humiliated them in my view.

Another poster has again suggested that Moloney sulked because he was not made captain. That's not the view of the players. The previous year after letting himself down, and being dropped from Leadership, he played his socks off and won the Bluey. Not my picture of a sook! True, Mark Neeld can hardly be blamed for the loss of Sculy, but surely his first task was to get the utmost out of his senior men

Another poster challenges the worth of the 2011 list. That list beat Adelaide and Freo by 16 goals, and both played senior finals in 2012. Remind me where we finished!

That is so selective it's not funny.

We were a highly average side in 2011.

Why were senior players demoted under Bailey and also under Neeld. Um, I dunno, maybe because they in general let the club down badly.

By start 2012, it was obvious that we lacked standards, lacked fitness and had a terrible midfield. McLardy admitted as much when he appointed Neeld to sweep the place out.

Again, faulty premise.