Bb, boy you waffle.

1. Turn the number 1 clearance duo in jamar and moloney into spuds

2. Ruin trengove

3. Have no faith in our list

4. Implement a stale game plan

5. Squirm when he is under pressure

6. Turn a quick team into slow

7. Refuse to use the corridor at all

8. Refuse to be flexible in game style

9. kill natural player instinct

10. Get smashed by every other team

11. Be the easiest team to play against

12. Turn us into a laughing stock

13. Ruin tapscott

14. Refuse to play Gysberts

15. Only have mild support for Jurrah

16. Persist with seller when we have plenty of tall backs

17. Consider drafting cloke

18. Only win 1 game against a pathetic bombers

19. Divide the club and supporters

20. Being relatively pleased with our progress

21. Using kpi's to justify the teams development

22. Start games pathetically

23. Not being able to inspire the club

24. Not being able to communicate with the media in a satisfactory manner

25. Blaming the list and not himself

26. destroying our attacking flair

27. Turn us into robots

28. Destroy our basic skills

29. Arouse no confidence whatsoever

30. Has no emotional intelligence

31. Keeping Brian royal

32. Recruiting plodders, couch, seller, magner

33. Not even being competitive

34. Reactionary positional changes

35. General lack of player development

36. Negative attitude towards football

I can keep going on about all the players he has made look second rate bar about 6.

Rr really only mentioned 2 positives, sacking prendergast and recruiting Clark.

We will probably lose against gc and he will be a goner.

37. Not being a good bloke

38. Not winning every game

39. Not getting us into the finals

40. Not winning the flag

41. Not passing on the winning tattslotto numbers to me

and so on ....

We get the picture, Tona.

I have formed an opinion that the MFC is in drastic need of fundamental change and so far Mark Neeld has made all the right noises about changing it.

This is not enough and no cause for confidence. I am concerned that people pay too much attention to the "right noises" and not the reality. "We will be the hardest team to play against" is good noise, do we have any reason to think that we are making worthwhile progress on this front?

I believe in him because so far he has taken measures to do what he said he's going to do.

This is what I am interested in, please explain these measures more fully and why they give you confidence in his abilities.

An opinion of this nature can quite reasonably be made by now.

As to weather he is a good coach no-one can know this definitively until he has a list of players he's comfortable working with. So yes, you are 'allowed' to form an anti-Neeld opinion. But to do so at this early stage is folly and smacks of hidden agenda.

I see this as inconsistent. You appear to think that the only valid opinions at this stage are the ones that you hold. I would contend that all opinions are valid provided that they are based on evidence.

I'm really sick of that "hidden agenda" stuff. I read it on hear all the time and I know that you are aware that I am accused of it more than most. Ultimately, it is meaningless and it certainly has no relevance to this discussion. When people start to play the man and not the ball, it is usually because they are losing the contest.

We all have our views.

Mine is that judgement cannot be made on the current FD but they have a fantastic pedigree and they should be given time.

Others (around 6 posters on here - prolific posters of late) are happy to judge on what they have seen, and would like Neeld removed (I assume Craig and Misson too?).

It's all rather moot, because the regime is going to get their time and no amount of hand-wringing is going to change that.

So why don't we leave it for a year, hmm?

HSOG is right - this place can be unreadable and make one not want to post on here...

He said that about 6 posts ago however...

We all do things we aren't proud of...

This is not enough and no cause for confidence. I am concerned that people pay too much attention to the "right noises" and not the reality. "We will be the hardest team to play against" is good noise, do we have any reason to think that we are making worthwhile progress on this front?

This is what I am interested in, please explain these measures more fully and why they give you confidence in his abilities.

I see this as inconsistent. You appear to think that the only valid opinions at this stage are the ones that you hold. I would contend that all opinions are valid provided that they are based on evidence.

I'm really sick of that "hidden agenda" stuff. I read it on hear all the time and I know that you are aware that I am accused of it more than most. Ultimately, it is meaningless and it certainly has no relevance to this discussion. When people start to play the man and not the ball, it is usually because they are losing the contest.

You want definitive answers where there are none because the man has not had enough time to give you them.

If you can't get your head around that I can't help you I'm sorry.

You'll have to be patient and wait another year or so. Hope you can hold on 'til then.

Jab, jab, jab, bang!

Knockout!

We all have our views.

Mine is that judgement cannot be made on the current FD but they have a fantastic pedigree and they should be given time.

Others (around 6 posters on here - prolific posters of late) are happy to judge on what they have seen, and would like Neeld removed (I assume Craig and Misson too?).

It's all rather moot, because the regime is going to get their time and no amount of hand-wringing is going to change that.

So why don't we leave it for a year, hmm?

HSOG is right - this place can be unreadable and make one not want to post on here...

He said that about 6 posts ago however...

We all do things we aren't proud of...

RR has totally lost a perfectly logical argument and now you want to stop the discussion rpfc?

HSOG has provided some of the most readable and interesting comments seen around here for some time.

It's time you justified your defence of the current regime with something other than give them time.

HSOG is right - this place can be unreadable and make one not want to post on here...

He said that about 6 posts ago however...

We all do things we aren't proud of...

Yes, I was just about to throw in the towel but then Range Rover made a decent post which I felt deserved a thoughtful response.

I won't apologise for my continued posting but rest assured that I have had my fill for today.

You want definitive answers where there are none because the man has not had enough time to give you them.

If you can't get your head around that I can't help you I'm sorry.

You'll have to be patient and wait another year or so. Hope you can hold on 'til then.

Suffering from concussion RR? Logic does that to you.

RR has totally lost a perfectly logical argument and now you want to stop the discussion rpfc?

HSOG has provided some of the most readable and interesting comments seen around here for some time.

It's time you justified your defence of the current regime with something other than give them time.

I've lost nothing.

How so? Because the man you want sacked sits in the driver's seat.

He 'aint goin' nowhere. Better get used to it.

Suffering from concussion RR? Logic does that to you.

I gave my reasons. It's your problem that you won't accept them or give the man time.

Your problem entirely.

Cheers hardnut

Cheers Thai

Cheers hazy

Cheers Cali

I think we got our point across.

Stubborn little fcukers.

I've lost nothing.

How so? Because the man you want sacked sits in the driver's seat.

He 'aint goin' nowhere. Better get used to it.

That's the problem that you can't see - where is the vehicle heading? (That's a rhetorical question RR.)

RR has totally lost a perfectly logical argument and now you want to stop the discussion rpfc?

HSOG has provided some of the most readable and interesting comments seen around here for some time.

It's time you justified your defence of the current regime with something other than give them time.

I have, hardnut.

Repeatedly, amongst the many posts that have been started by the handwringers and the supporters and whoever else.

I am more than happy with what I have said and my position on the current regime.

And I know that no matter your concern, or your concern trolling, nothing will happen that is outside of what I have said: they will be given time as they should be and that is that.

But by all means - tpm, bandicoot, hardnut, tonatopia, ADC, and now HSOG (welcome back, please don't use our impolitic ways keep you in exile again) - you guys can howl at the moon all you want.

Just don't expect Demonland to put up with it much longer.

I have, hardnut.

Repeatedly, amongst the many posts that have been started by the handwringers and the supporters and whoever else.

I am more than happy with what I have said and my position on the current regime.

And I know that no matter your concern, or your concern trolling, nothing will happen that is outside of what I have said: they will be given time as they should be and that is that.

But by all means - tpm, bandicoot, hardnut, tonatopia, ADC, and now HSOG (welcome back, please don't use our impolitic ways keep you in exile again) - you guys can howl at the moon all you want.

Just don't expect Demonland to put up with it much longer.

Please decipher the grammar in your response and say exactly what you mean.

Bang!

That's the problem that you can't see - where is the vehicle heading? (That's a rhetorical question RR.)

Let's ask the folks in a poll Hardnut.

Time to burst your little bubble.

1. Turn the number 1 clearance duo in jamar and moloney into spuds

2. Ruin trengove

3. Have no faith in our list

4. Implement a stale game plan

5. Squirm when he is under pressure

6. Turn a quick team into slow

7. Refuse to use the corridor at all

8. Refuse to be flexible in game style

9. kill natural player instinct

10. Get smashed by every other team

11. Be the easiest team to play against

12. Turn us into a laughing stock

13. Ruin tapscott

14. Refuse to play Gysberts

15. Only have mild support for Jurrah

16. Persist with seller when we have plenty of tall backs

17. Consider drafting cloke

18. Only win 1 game against a pathetic bombers

19. Divide the club and supporters

20. Being relatively pleased with our progress

21. Using kpi's to justify the teams development

22. Start games pathetically

23. Not being able to inspire the club

24. Not being able to communicate with the media in a satisfactory manner

25. Blaming the list and not himself

26. destroying our attacking flair

27. Turn us into robots

28. Destroy our basic skills

29. Arouse no confidence whatsoever

30. Has no emotional intelligence

31. Keeping Brian royal

32. Recruiting plodders, couch, seller, magner

33. Not even being competitive

34. Reactionary positional changes

35. General lack of player development

36. Negative attitude towards football

I can keep going on about all the players he has made look second rate bar about 6.

Rr really only mentioned 2 positives, sacking prendergast and recruiting Clark.

We will probably lose against gc and he will be a goner.

I agree with the ones in bold. The rest I think are subjective, repeated or you can't singlely blame the head coach for

Let's ask the folks in a poll Hardnut.

Time to burst your little bubble.

9 out of 10 people interviewed said....

The 10 can't be revealed because of privacy reasons - circular argument!

9 out of 10 people interviewed said....

The 10 can't be revealed because of privacy reasons - circular argument!

Poll's up me boy.

I'm confident. Are you?

Bang!

Don't forget to cast your vote in the poll too, Tona.

Duck, weave, jab, jab, right hook ... SMACK!

Seen plenty of polls in my time, they don't change the end result...

Whether we win the vote now or in 2014. Neeld ain't our man. It just takes time for some to wake up.

'slap'!

Seen plenty of polls in my time, they don't change the end result...

Not unless you intend on mounting an armed struggle? lol

Whether we win the vote now or in 2014. Neeld ain't our man. It just takes time for some to wake up.

'slap'!

7 'yes' to 1 'no'. Not looking good for you early.