Cam Bruce was on the VL when he left.

He may go, I don't think he will, and I don't think he will be captain.

It is amazing that just 12 months ago he was

"all Australian" and went off to play for Australia v the irish.

Was made the captain of the club ( which I thought was a good move )

Now we are considering if he has a future at the club and if he will stay

Or if we even want him!

That must be the biggest fall from Grace of all time.

I have been a critic this year but!

The Poor bugger my heart goes out to him

It's not easy.

The policy is 1 year contract for 30+yo.

There's the fall-out from Junior's exit last year and subsequently Bruce.

We can't afford it to get ugly.

But I don't want to offer him 2 years - he looks like it might have passed him by.

I'd offer him 1 with a games trigger for 2.

New coach decides who is captain, no Leading Teams empowerment for our group - they haven't earned it.

I agree that we disagree. You're of the simple opinion that the green vest should be off limits to the captain and if he wears it, in your opinion it's humiliating and an embarrassment.

I'm of the opinion that I want the same as you - that we want "the muddle at the club to stop and our players to step up", the thing is in order to do this, what steps are you prepared to take ? I'll back those who are "trying to get us going in the right direction with some hard decisions" - oh wait a second..that's what you said.

These decisions aren't made lightly...or made on a whim.

I am sure they are not acting lightly or without thought but the fact they take hard decision or act on whims doesn't make them immune from Criticism or mean they will always be right.

New coach decides who is captain, no Leading Teams empowerment for our group - they haven't earned it.

Interesting point. And in this case I would agree. It will be interesting who the captain and leadership group. Green and Davey must be out.

It is amazing that just 12 months ago he was

"all Australian" and went off to play for Australia v the irish.

I can remember a similar fall from grace happened to Nathan Brown earlier this decade. One year in the running for AA the next year seriously exposed as a defender for lack of pace and decision making near goal. It was excruciating to watch his game just fall apart after being so good the previous year. I think Brown was in his late 20s and it markeed the beginning of the end for him as he slipped in and out of the team in the following 2 years as a fringe player.

Old is right the blueprint for 30+ players has been set with Bruce and Junior. I cant see how after this year Green will get more than one more year at a time.