On 16/10/2017 at 03:50, Dappa Dan said:

I don't think the falcons will play like that again this year. Seattle are building nicely, and Dallas are unlucky not to be 3-2.

Beat the Skins next week, and the lid that's off will be vapourised.

Sad thing is it's 2 weeks in arow.. Can't drop 2 home games back to back against the Bills and Dolphins! Go into foxborough on MNF football next week in the SB rematch, staring 3-3 in the face. 

  On 16/10/2017 at 03:54, JV7 said:

Sad thing is it's 2 weeks in arow.. Can't drop 2 home games back to back against the Bills and Dolphins! Go into foxborough on MNF football next week in the SB rematch, staring 3-3 in the face. 

Hmm. Well you make a good case. The Bills I can understand. Their D has been lights out. But Dolphins... ugh.

  On 16/10/2017 at 03:48, Dappa Dan said:

Hey hey. I aint no troll.

And yes. I saw Hundley a couple of pre-seasons ago and thought he had the goods. I think you're suffering from the fact you're used to watching Rodgers or Favre running around. You have to lower your expectations now that you have mortals under centre.

Really?

You don't think that has ALREADY crossed my mind? 

 

Edited October 16, 20177 yr by Macca

  On 16/10/2017 at 04:00, Macca said:

Really?

You don't think that has ALREADY crossed my mind? 

P.O and go and lecture someone else.

Whoa?!!!

That escalated quickly? I wasn't lecturing anyone? Was just genuinely asking?

I mean, [censored]. My team's backup is Foles. I'd take Hundley in a heartbeat over him.

Relax Macca. Noone's lecturing anyone.

Jeez. You'd think Green Bay fans had never lost a game before or something...

Wait...

  On 16/10/2017 at 04:02, Dappa Dan said:

Whoa?!!!

That escalated quickly? I wasn't lecturing anyone? Was just genuinely asking?

I mean, [censored]. My team's backup is Foles. I'd take Hundley in a heartbeat over him.

Relax Macca. Noone's lecturing anyone.

Jeez. You'd think Green Bay fans had never lost a game before or something...

Wait...

I'm not a happy camper ... can't you tell?

Season is over and Rodgers injury sounds like it might even  be career threatening.

My apologies to you and all for losing it.  I should have stayed away from thread today. 

  On 16/10/2017 at 05:50, Macca said:

I'm not a happy camper ... can't you tell?

Season is over and Rodgers injury sounds like it might even  be career threatening.

My apologies to you and all for losing it.  I should have stayed away from thread today. 

Understood completely.

I really think once the offense gets used to Hundley's completely different style of play, they might do ok. The Tackles are getting healthy, The D still does more good things than bad generally. They've got Lambeau. And their receivers can go toe to toe with anyone.

And they haven't ruled out Rodgers for playoffs yet. All they have to do is get there. It's a bit like the Colts. They're all doom and gloom early in the year, then they win a few and suddenly they're desperate to get Luck back on the field, because they can potentially make a playoff run if he's there.

But yeah. I mean it's Rodgers. You can be forgiven for packing it in, so to speak. He's like a cheat code.

I reckon their no chance without Rodgers.. Best hope is they can sneak into the playoffs and he can be back from there, either way it's a long way back.. The NFC really has opened right up, if it wasn't already. 

  On 16/10/2017 at 05:54, Dappa Dan said:

Understood completely.

I really think once the offense gets used to Hundley's completely different style of play, they might do ok. The Tackles are getting healthy, The D still does more good things than bad generally. They've got Lambeau. And their receivers can go toe to toe with anyone.

And they haven't ruled out Rodgers for playoffs yet. All they have to do is get there. It's a bit like the Colts. They're all doom and gloom early in the year, then they win a few and suddenly they're desperate to get Luck back on the field, because they can potentially make a playoff run if he's there.

But yeah. I mean it's Rodgers. You can be forgiven for packing it in, so to speak. He's like a cheat code.

Normally collarbone fractures are a 7 or 8 week injury but they are saying season.  If it's in the same spot as his previous break,  it could be a bad break. 

I'm also annoyed that we don't play a more conservative game with Rodgers using more tight ends and our  running game continues to be sub par.

It was an accident waiting to happen the way McCarthy coaches the team.  And I've been saying it for years now.  We all know are own teams well.

  On 16/10/2017 at 06:20, Macca said:

Normally collarbone fractures are a 7 or 8 week injury but they are saying season.  If it's in the same spot as his previous break,  it could be a bad break. 

I'm also annoyed that we don't play a more conservative game with Rodgers using more tight ends and our  running game continues to be sub par.

It was an accident waiting to happen the way McCarthy coaches the team.  And I've been saying it for years now.  We all know are own teams well.

Yeah? Do you mean because he likes to get Rodgers throwing on the move more than lots of coaches? Doesn't recruit good protection for him?

I was watching the game when it happened. Did you see him getting carted off? I was really surprised to see the injury news a few hours later because he supported his own weight with both hands when he sat on the back of the cart. Seemed to me to be not too painful? Mind you, the painkillers might have just kicked in.

I'm not gonna act like I'm not pleased that when the Eagles play them, Rodgers won't be there. And likewise I'm not gonna act like it's extraordinarily lucky that Rodgers was fit to play Dallas, thereby making life easier for my team.

But the comp is poorer for him not being out there. Tuning in to see them play will be really interesting... seeing how everyone adapts... but let's call a spade a spade. 2017 NFL just got a little bit crapper.

  On 16/10/2017 at 06:24, Dappa Dan said:

Yeah? Do you mean because he likes to get Rodgers throwing on the move more than lots of coaches? Doesn't recruit good protection for him?

I was watching the game when it happened. Did you see him getting carted off? I was really surprised to see the injury news a few hours later because he supported his own weight with both hands when he sat on the back of the cart. Seemed to me to be not too painful? Mind you, the painkillers might have just kicked in.

I'm not gonna act like I'm not pleased that when the Eagles play them, Rodgers won't be there. And likewise I'm not gonna act like it's extraordinarily lucky that Rodgers was fit to play Dallas, thereby making life easier for my team.

But the comp is poorer for him not being out there. Tuning in to see them play will be really interesting... seeing how everyone adapts... but let's call a spade a spade. 2017 NFL just got a little bit crapper.

From my point of view the only thing I'm really interested in is why they are calling it a season ending injury. 

Last time he broke his collarbone they were adamant it was only a 6 week injury (he came back in 8 weeks)

  On 16/10/2017 at 07:00, Macca said:

From my point of view the only thing I'm really interested in is why they are calling it a season ending injury. 

Last time he broke his collarbone they were adamant it was only a 6 week injury (he came back in 8 weeks)

Yeah. And it was still almost mid game when they made that call.

  On 16/10/2017 at 07:04, Dappa Dan said:

Yeah. And it was still almost mid game when they made that call.

The pain threshold is less with repeat injuries ... he looked almost matter-of-fact about it.

The worry is that the bone might be somewhat shattered.  It's 12 full weeks to the playoffs so a 16 week injury? 

 

  On 16/10/2017 at 07:20, Macca said:

The pain threshold is less with repeat injuries ... he looked almost matter-of-fact about it.

The worry is that the bone might be somewhat shattered.  It's 12 full weeks to the playoffs so a 16 week injury? 

 

Yeah I see what you mean. I have Max Gawn in my head. If you predict an injury like that for, say, Eli... then you put him in cotton wool and see what your kids have got, given they're not going to the playoffs.

But Rodgers? At 50%... You'd give it a go if you did your due diligence.

Of course a lot depends on how Hundley/Romo go. lol

  On 16/10/2017 at 07:30, Dappa Dan said:

Yeah I see what you mean. I have Max Gawn in my head. If you predict an injury like that for, say, Eli... then you put him in cotton wool and see what your kids have got, given they're not going to the playoffs.

But Rodgers? At 50%... You'd give it a go if you did your due diligence.

Of course a lot depends on how Hundley/Romo go. lol

Might be right hand side of the collarbone instead of the left ... throwing arm vs non throwing arm. 

My point still stands with regards the high risk game that he plays.  Three times this year he's been hit hard in a similar way ... in 3 separate games.

Oh ... and the Giants won

And I did foresee the Packers or the Pats losing.  Had an uneasy feeling and there it is.

 

  On 16/10/2017 at 07:48, Macca said:

Might be right hand side of the collarbone instead of the left ... throwing arm vs non throwing arm. 

My point still stands with regards the high risk game that he plays.  Three times this year he's been hit hard in a similar way ... in 3 separate games.

Oh ... and the Giants won

And I did foresee the Packers or the Pats losing.  Had an uneasy feeling and there it is.

 

I knew it was too good to be true, everyone picking both Pats and Pack. If there's one thing demonland NFL tipping has taught us is that if it's a sure thing, it probably won't happen.

It would have been a perfect weekend had Skins lost to 49ers. And they very nearly did.

  On 16/10/2017 at 08:28, Dappa Dan said:

I knew it was too good to be true, everyone picking both Pats and Pack. If there's one thing demonland NFL tipping has taught us is that if it's a sure thing, it probably won't happen.

It would have been a perfect weekend had Skins lost to 49ers. And they very nearly did.

I'm filthy I didn't back the Steelers at $2.75! Had this feeling after the horror show the week before they'd win and KC were well and truly due!

Just a final word on the Packers and the loss of Rodgers ... I originally thought we'd be behind 3 teams in the NFC this year - Atlanta,  Dallas & Seattle.  Detroit were a danger as well as the Vikings (with Bradford)

But the way the games are panning out,  those 5 teams have got their issues and whilst the Eagles,  Panthers & Rams have ramped it up,  those 3 teams still need to maintain their good form.  So, the year was opening up for a number of teams to achieve a high seed in the playoffs. 

Green Bay were over the more difficult part of their schedule (already played Seattle,  Atlanta & Dallas) so a more conservative approach against the Vikings (with a stand-in QB) was all that was really needed. 

Then half way through the first quarter Rodgers is scrambling around (for the umpteenth bloody time) and then goes down again.  Belichick wouldn't have had Brady doing as such so why does McCarthy persist with this high-risk QB play?  Crazy stuff.  Our strength is also highly predicable so it was only a matter of time before Rodgers was hurt again.  They'll target him even more now.

McCarthy = Chris Scott and the Packers have a one-dimensional game like Geelong has.  Good enough to win enough games to make the playoffs but there are always 1 or 2 teams who are our achilles heel.  49ers then Seattle then Atlanta. 

McCarthy has had 10 years to build a running game and/or to bring in some tight ends but nothing has changed.  We're basically a team that totally relies on Rodgers finding his wide receivers.  It should be remembered that our defence was the 5th best for points allowed in 2010/11.  Since then, our defence has gone backwards.

Unless some sort of miracle occurs, the Packers have thrown away an absolutely golden opportunity this season.  And you've got to take your chances when they present themselves.

I've watched red zone, so I've not read comments and won't until I've watched both SNF & MNF. But just a comment on what I saw. Crazy week  in the NFL. Rodgers going down hurts packers massively. Jets looked great early but the pats... Well patsed them... Lynch iis a shadow of the beast he was. Why rredzone kept showing the KC/Steelers game as the default game to watch when no team were in the redzone has me beat. It was a crap game. Onto tthe Rams. Good win, Gurley is playing well, special. Teams were insane and were the difference. I am so use to our D being great that I'm struggling to come to terms with them just being OK. If Wade can get the D humming... 

  On 16/10/2017 at 10:10, Macca said:

Just a final word on the Packers and the loss of Rodgers ... I originally thought we'd be behind 3 teams in the NFC this year - Atlanta,  Dallas & Seattle.  Detroit were a danger as well as the Vikings (with Bradford)

But the way the games are panning out,  those 5 teams have got their issues and whilst the Eagles,  Panthers & Rams have ramped it up,  those 3 teams still need to maintain their good form.  So, the year was opening up for a number of teams to achieve a high seed in the playoffs. 

Green Bay were over the more difficult part of their schedule (already played Seattle,  Atlanta & Dallas) so a more conservative approach against the Vikings (with a stand-in QB) was all that was really needed. 

Then half way through the first quarter Rodgers is scrambling around (for the umpteenth bloody time) and then goes down again.  Belichick wouldn't have had Brady doing as such so why does McCarthy persist with this high-risk QB play?  Crazy stuff.  Our strength is also highly predicable so it was only a matter of time before Rodgers was hurt again.  They'll target him even more now.

McCarthy = Chris Scott and the Packers have a one-dimensional game like Geelong has.  Good enough to win enough games to make the playoffs but there are always 1 or 2 teams who are our achilles heel.  49ers then Seattle then Atlanta. 

McCarthy has had 10 years to build a running game and/or to bring in some tight ends but nothing has changed.  We're basically a team that totally relies on Rodgers finding his wide receivers.  It should be remembered that our defence was the 5th best for points allowed in 2010/11.  Since then, our defence has gone backwards.

Unless some sort of miracle occurs, the Packers have thrown away an absolutely golden opportunity this season.  And you've got to take your chances when they present themselves.

McCarthy = Scott... lol So true. 

I had it as Falcons Dallas and Packers, throw a blanket over them. Seattle just a notch back. Now there's something like 8 teams and you can't confidently pick any. Super exciting.

It's interesting with Rodgers. They did go out and get (the other) Rodgers, and Cook last year. I remember a lot was said about how many TEs he had as pass catchers... but you're right... None are known blockers who do amazing work in that regard. They also lost their tackles this season... so the OL has been disrupted. I reckon as an opposition supporter, the thing you're scared of most with Rodgers is when he scrambles laterally and throws on the run. In my time following the game, certainly noone has done it better.

But yeah, I think I see your point. I'm getting it a bit with Wentz now. He moves great out of trouble, and gets 30-50 rushing yards a game often. That extra weapon is great when it works, but you're always fearful he's a few games away from being injured.

I reckon in their early days, every NFL fan watches a read option QB and thinks they're what you want as a QB... then after a few seasons following an injured guy, you realise how great it is to watch a pure pocket passer like Manning or Brady. When you look at Rodgers, yes he's great on the move, but he's great in a clean pocket too. I reckon you see them go heavily for OL in the next couple of years as he reaches his late thirties.

  On 16/10/2017 at 21:33, Gorgoroth said:

I've watched red zone, so I've not read comments and won't until I've watched both SNF & MNF. But just a comment on what I saw. Crazy week  in the NFL. Rodgers going down hurts packers massively. Jets looked great early but the pats... Well patsed them... Lynch iis a shadow of the beast he was. Why rredzone kept showing the KC/Steelers game as the default game to watch when no team were in the redzone has me beat. It was a crap game. Onto tthe Rams. Good win, Gurley is playing well, special. Teams were insane and were the difference. I am so use to our D being great that I'm struggling to come to terms with them just being OK. If Wade can get the D humming... 

Everyone's worried about what it'll be like when the D start dominating. But the real news is that the offense and Goff/Gurley/McVay have created the buzz. Get used to it for the next 12-15 games. I love watching Rams right now, but don't get me wrong, I want Eagles to beat them. I keep secretly hoping pressure on Goff will make him wobble a bit, but he's getting it out so fast.

Looking forward to 7 weeks from now... How has Rams OL been? Them vs Eagles DL...

  On 17/10/2017 at 02:34, Dappa Dan said:

McCarthy = Scott... lol So true. 

I had it as Falcons Dallas and Packers, throw a blanket over them. Seattle just a notch back. Now there's something like 8 teams and you can't confidently pick any. Super exciting.

It's interesting with Rodgers. They did go out and get (the other) Rodgers, and Cook last year. I remember a lot was said about how many TEs he had as pass catchers... but you're right... None are known blockers who do amazing work in that regard. They also lost their tackles this season... so the OL has been disrupted. I reckon as an opposition supporter, the thing you're scared of most with Rodgers is when he scrambles laterally and throws on the run. In my time following the game, certainly noone has done it better.

But yeah, I think I see your point. I'm getting it a bit with Wentz now. He moves great out of trouble, and gets 30-50 rushing yards a game often. That extra weapon is great when it works, but you're always fearful he's a few games away from being injured.

I reckon in their early days, every NFL fan watches a read option QB and thinks they're what you want as a QB... then after a few seasons following an injured guy, you realise how great it is to watch a pure pocket passer like Manning or Brady. When you look at Rodgers, yes he's great on the move, but he's great in a clean pocket too. I reckon you see them go heavily for OL in the next couple of years as he reaches his late thirties.

I'd much rather Rodgers played a role in a similar vein to Peyton or Brady ... in fact, Elway reeled Peyton way back in, in that SB winning year. 

No individual is bigger than the team and Green Bay need to look no further back than Vince Lombardi for that line of thinking ... with the Demons it is obviously Norm Smith.  The same principles apply.  Mourinho preaches it and so too did Ferguson. 

McCarthy often looks like he is awe-struck by Rodgers yet Belichick seems to treat Brady like just another commodity.  I'm not for one minute apportioning any blame on Rodgers either. 

The Packers play a flawed system in the sense that it needs a super-talented QB in order for it to work.  Hundley could find himself throwing interceptions and/or getting hurt himself.  I'm not confident tbat both those issues won't occur.

  On 17/10/2017 at 05:29, Macca said:

I'd much rather Rodgers played a role in a similar vein to Peyton or Brady ... in fact, Elway reeled Peyton way back in, in that SB winning year. 

No individual is bigger than the team and Green Bay need to look no further back than Vince Lombardi for that line of thinking ... with the Demons it is obviously Norm Smith.  The same principles apply.  Mourinho preaches it and so too did Ferguson. 

McCarthy often looks like he is awe-struck by Rodgers yet Belichick seems to treat Brady like just another commodity.  I'm not for one minute apportioning any blame on Rodgers either. 

The Packers play a flawed system in the sense that it needs a super-talented QB in order for it to work.  Hundley could find himself throwing interceptions and/or getting hurt himself.  I'm not confident tbat both those issues won't occur.

I'm really interested to see what changes. I reckon your Displeasure at McCarthy will double if he rolls out the same system for what is essentially a completely different player. This sort of thing can be a great opportunity for growth. Imagine if, in the next 10 weeks, Hundley throws for 20TDs and 10Int and authors some good wins and gets his team to the playoffs. He'll find himself straight away into a starting job next year for someone, and you'll have a juicy new second round pick to get that Tight End you want so badly.

  On 17/10/2017 at 06:30, Dappa Dan said:

I'm really interested to see what changes. I reckon your Displeasure at McCarthy will double if he rolls out the same system for what is essentially a completely different player. This sort of thing can be a great opportunity for growth. Imagine if, in the next 10 weeks, Hundley throws for 20TDs and 10Int and authors some good wins and gets his team to the playoffs. He'll find himself straight away into a starting job next year for someone, and you'll have a juicy new second round pick to get that Tight End you want so badly.

We're lucky in the sense that we've got a number of 50/50 games coming up but the onus will be on the coaching of McCarthy. 

The next 6 ... vs Saints,  vs Detroit,  @ Bears,  vs Ravens,  @ Steelers,  vs Bucs.  There's 3 wins in that lot if McCarthy coaches great.  Maybe 4 wins but that's a stretch.  So we could be 7 & 5 or maybe even 8 & 4 after 12 games ... or we could lose 4,  5 or all 6 of those games and that would just about be it. 

But again,  McCarthy has to coach great,  we can't rely on or even expect Hundley to be great.  We're about to find out whether McCarthy can coach under great adversity. 

I don't hate McCarthy,  I just don't rate the bloke.  He's Mr Average in my eyes and I want great. 

  On 17/10/2017 at 07:14, Macca said:

We're lucky in the sense that we've got a number of 50/50 games coming up but the onus will be on the coaching of McCarthy. 

The next 6 ... vs Saints,  vs Detroit,  @ Bears,  vs Ravens,  @ Steelers,  vs Bucs.  There's 3 wins in that lot if McCarthy coaches great.  Maybe 4 wins but that's a stretch.  So we could be 7 & 5 or maybe even 8 & 4 after 12 games ... or we could lose 4,  5 or all 6 of those games and that would just about be it. 

But again,  McCarthy has to coach great,  we can't rely on or even expect Hundley to be great.  We're about to find out whether McCarthy can coach under great adversity. 

I don't hate McCarthy,  I just don't rate the bloke.  He's Mr Average in my eyes and I want great. 

Fair enough. ie the Scott brothers.

And yeah. On the plus side Hundley's been there, what, 3 years? McCarthy at least knows his man. And his man knows the playbook. Romo would have been terrific fun... but Hundley is your best chance.