Can We Learn Anything For The 2010 Collingwood Premiership

[Guest hangon007]

Here are just a few thoughts

1/ The importance of the supporters turning up to games rail, hail or shine - AFL will reward you with a superior draw.

2/ Success off the field aids success on the field?

3/ Premierships are partly a mind set, if you believe you can you have a much better chance.

4/ The only people that thought Collingwood would win a premiership this year where Collingwood, but in the end thats all that matters.

5/ Game style - Is it that vastly different to us? Partly why the "struggle" against us.

6/ Ball & Jolly - How important are your rucks & clearance work. Where they "lucky" that we let them both slip. We could have "outbid" them on both.

7/ The glass is half full not half empty.

Edited October 3, 2010 by hangon007

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

The best piece of advice on what we can learn was offered to us by none other than Mick Malthouse after the the QB draw. Something like "Playing for the 4 points should be enough incentive to play at our best every week"

That goes for win, lose or draw.

This has been repeated ad nauseum by myself and others. I hope this is the last time it has to be mentioned.

Edited October 3, 2010 by america de cali

[Guest hangon007]

The best piece of advice on what we can learn was offered to us by none other than Mick Malthouse after the the QB draw. Something like "Playing for the 4 points should be enough incentive to play at our best every week"

That goes for win, lose or draw.

This has been repeated ad nauseum by myself and others. I hope this is the last time it has to be mentioned.

Hehehe ... Mick Malthouse the "best" poker player in town. Just like they played for the 4 points in the year they got Scott Pendlebury & Dale Thomas. And look how they turned out. Oh how some forget.

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

The best piece of advice on what we can learn was offered to us by none other than Mick Malthouse after the the QB draw. Something like "Playing for the 4 points should be enough incentive to play at our best every week"

That goes for win, lose or draw.

This has been repeated ad nauseum by myself and others. I hope this is the last time it has to be mentioned.

correct. until this team learns to play with a consistent mind set over a whole season, all else is secondary. By saying this i am not having a go at anyone or being negative. It's just a fact, and something the Demons lost the ability to do for whatever reasons and excuses since 1964.

Both 2010 GF's should be used as good learning tools next year. That is the level and more we have to get to.....soon.

Do it for Jim. B)

[e25 5]

Here are just a few thoughts

1/ The importance of the supporters turning up to games rail, hail or shine - AFL will reward you with a superior draw.

Already a given.

2/ Success off the field aids success on the field?

Already a given.

3/ Premierships are partly a mind set, if you believe you can you have a much better chance.

"Belief" has been Bailey's catchcry from the outset, along with "competitive" and "games into players".

4/ The only people that thought Collingwood would win a premiership this year where Collingwood, but in the end thats all that matters.

That's blatantly untrue. Many people thought they were capable of winning a premiership.

5/ Game style - Is it that vastly different to us? Partly why the "struggle" against us.

We also are at our best when we run, run, run. Not necessarily similar game styles.

6/ Ball & Jolly - How important are your rucks & clearance work. Where they "lucky" that we let them both slip. We could have "outbid" them on both.

But we didn't want to. What we could have done is irrelevant - i'm glad we didn't. They wouldn't have helped us.

7/ The glass is half full not half empty.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Are you sure about this?

All of these points are either already known or misnomers.

I'm not sure we've learned nothing from them, but the above points aren't quite correct.

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

Hehehe ... Mick Malthouse the "best" poker player in town. Just like they played for the 4 points in the year they got Scott Pendlebury & Dale Thomas. And look how they turned out. Oh how some forget.

Yeah, we done that too. But thats in the past for both us and them. Winning draft picks and not games was last seasons strategy.

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

correct. until this team learns to play with a consistent mind set over a whole season, all else is secondary. By saying this i am not having a go at anyone or being negative. It's just a fact, and something the Demons lost the ability to do for whatever reasons and excuses since 1964.

Both 2010 GF's should be used as good learning tools next year. That is the level and more we have to get to.....soon.

Do it for Jim. B)

Yes, the worst disappointments for me this season was the absolutely pathetic attitude from us when we played winnable games against WC, North and Carlton mid season. Like it was all back to square one for the club again. The same overinflated arrogant belief that ordinary sides will roll over for us after we have been playing well in previous weeks. This attitude has been plaguing us like a cancer since 1964.

Edited October 4, 2010 by america de cali

[Guest hangon007]

Are you sure about this?

All of these points are either already known or misnomers.

I'm not sure we've learned nothing from them, but the above points aren't quite correct.

Yeah but did we learn?

"That's blatantly untrue. Many people thought they were capable of winning a premiership." ... Rubbish. not at the start of the season. Everybody was tipping Geelong, St Kilda, Bulldogs, Hawthorn etc ... few said Collingwood. The Collingwood "push" only appeared after they started so well and held onto top spot. anybody can be an "expert" after the fact, few tipped it before the fact.

Edited October 4, 2010 by hangon007

[e25 5]

Not the majority, but still a percentage of people did.

To say Collingwood were the only ones who believed it is blatantly untrue.

They weren't my pick, but I didn't believe they were incapable of it. I still expected them to finish top 4.

(Mind you, my prediction for the flag was Adelaide.)

[Guest hangon007]

Are you sure about this?

All of these points are either already known or misnomers.

I'm not sure we've learned nothing from them, but the above points aren't quite correct.

Yeah but did we learn?

That's blatantly untrue. Many people thought they were capable of winning a premiership. ... Rubbish. not at the start of the season. Everybody was tipping Geelong, St Kilda, Bulldogs, Hawthorn etc ... few said Collingwood. The Collingwood "push" only appeared after they started so well and held onto top spot.

"Belief" has been Bailey's catchcry from the outset, along with "competitive" and "games into players". ... To me thats a message of patience, not belief.

[Guest hangon007]

Not the majority, but still a percentage of people did.

To say Collingwood were the only ones who believed it is blatantly untrue.

They weren't my pick, but I didn't believe they were incapable of it. I still expected them to finish top 4.

(Mind you, my prediction for the flag was Adelaide.)

Yeah. Collingwood people. The vast majority of the rest of the public thought others teams had passed them. The completely under estimated their 2 key recruits. Best gauge of public sentiments are when people are prepared to put their money where their mouth is. the old adage "money talks"

[Guest hangon007]

Yeah, we done that too. But thats in the past for both us and them. Winning draft picks and not games was last seasons strategy.

Yeah maybe a "strategy" that doesn't look that silly now. Sometimes the ends does justify the means. Irrespective of how unpalatable to "some" the "means" is.

Hopefully we will be that fortunate to get the same outcome as the Pies.

Edited October 4, 2010 by hangon007

[Harrisonrules 273]

Only collingwood people thought they could win at the beginning of the year

I'm a modest tipster. I don't worry to much about the other team and their players, I just enjoy our boys and the red and blue. However by listening to opinions of others assess Collingwood, when they got Jolly and Ball I for one believed they would be particularly dangerous. I told several Collingwood friends ( excuse the use of the word) I believed this was the year they should put their money on them. Of course I wouldnot be so unfaithful to do such a thjing myself , but I'm sure I wasn't the only one to think along these lines.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

4/ The only people that thought Collingwood would win a premiership this year where Collingwood, but in the end thats all that matters.

I really have to disagree on that one. Collingwood has had a very good team for a couple of years now and traded very, very well last year. We might not have wanted them to win it but only people that are one eyed other club supporters didn't rate them.

There was only one team that could have stopped them and Collingwood smashed them a couple of weeks ago.

There are some very important lessons for us to learn but mostly it is two things:

1/ Don't get injured - The list Collingwood could put up week after week was almost always their best team.

2/ A champion team will beat a team of champions. Geelong and St Kilda needed ten players to star if they wanted it this year. Collingwood needed a couple of players to shine but if they didn't that wasn't a deal breaker as long as the rest just did their job.

I think that we are closer to Collingwood than StKilda or Geelong in that we are not reliant on a couple of players - we run the team style (when it works).

I don't know if we have the cattle to do it but I think we have a real chance of putting together a team of 22 that can work as a unit, but we are a couple of years away IMO.

We just need to watch and learn.

[Guest hangon007]

I really have to disagree on that one. Collingwood has had a very good team for a couple of years now and traded very, very well last year. We might not have wanted them to win it but only people that are one eyed other club supporters didn't rate them.

No problems. Fair post. Think we might have to agree to disagree. IMHO Collingwood early in the season somewhat "flew under the radar" and the real momentum did not start coming for them until the had cemented top spot.

There was only one team that could have stopped them and Collingwood smashed them a couple of weeks ago.

If you are referring to Geelong. Geezs the Saints went damn close to beating them.

There are some very important lessons for us to learn but mostly it is two things:

1/ Don't get injured - The list Collingwood could put up week after week was almost always their best team.

2/ A champion team will beat a team of champions. Geelong and St Kilda needed ten players to star if they wanted it this year. Collingwood needed a couple of players to shine but if they didn't that wasn't a deal breaker as long as the rest just did their job.

I think that we are closer to Collingwood than StKilda or Geelong in that we are not reliant on a couple of players - we run the team style (when it works).

I don't know if we have the cattle to do it but I think we have a real chance of putting together a team of 22 that can work as a unit, but we are a couple of years away IMO.

We just need to watch and learn.

However, your other points are great. I too hope we watch & learn. Yet at times I fear we take things as given, when sadly the are not given sometimes we observe yet we dont learn.