I can't help but admire them for that. Don't like them for a second, but have to admire their achievements, and hope like hell that we can start to emulate them in the not too distant future.

Yea agree totally. I hate it that we are not where they are at... We are on our way though.

Yep, hate their guts.

1) Hawthorn

2) Carlton

3) Collingwood

4) Essendon

5) Geelong

Only famous because of a trigger happy umpire.

Hardly the stuff to build a traditional rivalry on to span the years is it?

Correct. Especially close GFs over a number of years.

I think you will find it was the complete opposite. Read the Red Fox book.

Was referring to Hawthorn

Let's hope we can develop one over the next few years, because as has been said, rivalries are almost exclusively developed on the field.

In terms of hatred, they're a clear second.