West Coast trading

[H_T 3,049]

Yes Dr Jeckyl & Mr Hyde, I'm just speculating that West Coast may offer their first draft pick to the Blues in return for Chris Yarran. You're quite right there is a go home factor.

I'll also speculate that the Weagles don't care how many more wins they get, fwiw a deal may already be done (more speculation). (Gave up on tanking & priority). It may have something to do with their sudden return to their winning ways of late. Also a much relaxed looking Worsfold.

Yarran is a quality player. The Blues might even find a forward replacement, if they're lucky. Who would you take.....Hansen or Butcher.....or both.

Edited August 19, 2009 by High Tower

[Guest JACKtheRIPPER]

why waste a number 2 pick on a croweater, they want to make sure he wants to live in victoria for the next 12yrs,thats a big ask, scott thompsons in the best 25 players in the competition now, who did we get for him, theres no way we won there,its a big risk but your seem willing to take it.

Because he is the 2nd best player in the draft... some say he is closing the gap on Tom Scully and the same reason we took Cale Morton at 4. Not many players get home sick if you have a look at the bigger picture. i think with pick 18 we should take Panos to make him feel better about the situation

mortons parents moved to victoria,i would like nothing more for mangrove to tell DB i want to play 200 games for the demons, but thats a 50/50 chance, but some of you so called draft experts a willing to take that chance, im thankfull scullys a victorian.

[beelzebub 23,383]

BB59

I think your attitude about draft picks is becoming quite common with the football public and I can't understand why....

Yarran was worth pick 6 last year but somehow his talents drops to pick 22 this year???? all draft picks are speculative but just because the guy has one year on an AFL list doesn't mean his talent has dropped that much or this years talent would be any better.... In fact Yarran would have gone higher last year because Watts wouldn't be eligible under this years rules....

The football public has been lead to believe (mainly by coaches giving hope) that draft picks and rebuilding is the way to go. You may get a superstar or you may get a dud through drafting but people are happy to throw established AFL players around for draft picks????

?? not sure at all what you mean..as that which followed doesnt necessarily do it for me..lol

OK..in Yarran instance he obviously was taken at 6 (Carltons first pick )was seen by many as being anywhere from that( well 7 actually ) through to about 15.(actually Quayle had him at times as 2 ) Now hes played real footy and can be evaluated further. Hes still young granted and obviously verytalented, but if he were to be sloted into this years draft he would by age fall down the list a tad. Possibly not even to past 17 but teams ( this year ) with first round picks might well go past himfor others.. He doesnt have quite the same currency this year as last. In that...hes closer to a 22 pick than a 6 ( this year )..certainly not a 2...not this year.

But yes...eventually all picks are speculative.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

this is exactly why our first 2 picks should be victorians, its not worth the risk.

Yeah Hawthorn F*&^d up when they picked up Cyril Rioli. Likewise West Coast with Judd etc, etc, etc.

[Viney+Brayshaw+Hogan=Flag 32]

Maybe Maric and a pick for West Coast's pick 6, although I'd be more then happy to hang onto Maric.

i like it. Maric and pick 18 for pick 6. If they don't go for it, through in our next pick, somewhere around 30.

Another option could be to give the hawks Jamar or Meesen and pick 18. They want a new ruckmen. we get picks 1, 2 and 7.

Imagine, Scully, Butcher, Rohan! omg

plus they are all Victorian

[Guest JACKtheRIPPER]

Yeah Hawthorn F*&^d up when they picked up Cyril Rioli. Likewise West Coast with Judd etc, etc, etc.

is that the best you can do fool,etc,etc,etc,

[e25 5]

If that trade goes down and the Blues get pick 6 I'd expect them to take Butcher.

Aren't Carlton hellbent on getting Josh Kennedy back though? I guess that'd never happen, WC couldn't be that stupid.

[Clanger King 9]

mortons parents moved to victoria,i would like nothing more for mangrove to tell DB i want to play 200 games for the demons, but thats a 50/50 chance, but some of you so called draft experts a willing to take that chance, im thankfull scullys a victorian.

I think I have read somewhere on here that trengoves dad lives in vic. Can anyone confirm?

[e25 5]

I think I have read somewhere on here that trengoves dad lives in vic. Can anyone confirm?

I've read that too.

[twist 0]

why waste a number 2 pick on a croweater, they want to make sure he wants to live in victoria for the next 12yrs,thats a big ask, scott thompsons in the best 25 players in the competition now, who did we get for him, theres no way we won there,its a big risk but your seem willing to take it.

Give it a spell mate, you have no idea what you are on about.

Name me some good footballers that have gone home to S.A and i'll name you some that haven't :

Brian Lake

Andrew Mackie

Byron Schammer

Will Minson

Jared Rivers

Adam Cooney

Sam Fisher

Alan Didak

[e25 5]

Well it all comes down to doing due dilligence. You evaluate the kids.If after that you have a couple very reticent about moving..quite possibly , if you cant allay their prejudices, then give them a wide berth.

You cant dismiss the talent pool that is Australia wide purely on the back that a couple may not stay. You Do have to take risks, but youmanage and minimise where possible.

We wouldnt have Rivers Jamar,Meesen,....wouldnt have had Brown Dog,or the likes of Viney ..not for SA

Its not to say you have to have them..its just common sense to evaluate them.

That's right, you take the kid and back yourself to keep him.

Obviously you do your due diligence first and you don't take a kid that says "I don't want to play anywhere but XXXX" for more than just the obvious reasons.

It'd be the same as the outcry that we had to put up with when Butcher intimated that he'd rather not play for a team that deliberately threw games to get him.

1. Scully

2. Trengove

Don't want pick 6, I rate Maric far too highly.

[H_T 3,049]

Give it a spell mate, you have no idea what you are on about.

Name me some good footballers that have gone home to S.A and i'll name you some that haven't :

Brian Lake

Andrew Mackie

Byron Schammer

Will Minson

Jared Rivers

Adam Cooney

Sam Fisher

Alan Didak

I guess some are still stung by the departure of Scott Thompson 5 years ago. JtR included. Whenever a player has (SA) or (WA) next to the name, it seems it's like "proceed with caution, warning - go home factor"

[e25 5]

Give it a spell mate, you have no idea what you are on about.

Name me some good footballers that have gone home to S.A and i'll name you some that haven't :

Brian Lake

Andrew Mackie

Byron Schammer

Will Minson

Jared Rivers

Adam Cooney

Sam Fisher

Alan Didak

Todd Viney

[Clanger King 9]

Give it a spell mate, you have no idea what you are on about.

Name me some good footballers that have gone home to S.A and i'll name you some that haven't :

Brian Lake

Andrew Mackie

Byron Schammer

Will Minson

Jared Rivers

Adam Cooney

Sam Fisher

Alan Didak

Gibbs

Pavlich

[H_T 3,049]

If that trade goes down and the Blues get pick 6 I'd expect them to take Butcher.

Aren't Carlton hellbent on getting Josh Kennedy back though? I guess that'd never happen, WC couldn't be that stupid.

Yes, it was mentioned earlier in the thread. David Parkin's opinion it seems that the kid loved the Blues and "he'll be back" was announced by the former Blue coach.

[Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde 0]

If that trade goes down and the Blues get pick 6 I'd expect them to take Butcher.

Aren't Carlton hellbent on getting Josh Kennedy back though? I guess that'd never happen, WC couldn't be that stupid.

Carlton have their heart set on Gary Rohan.

and also Cunnington

Edited August 19, 2009 by Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde

[H_T 3,049]

Carlton have their heart set on Gary Rohan.

and also Cunnington

How could they get Rohan do you think?

and Cunnington for that matter...hehe.

[Guest JACKtheRIPPER]

Gibbs

Pavlich

did gibbs play in front of 13000 people on the weekend, your armchair critics.

[beelzebub 23,383]

That's right, you take the kid and back yourself to keep him.

Obviously you do your due diligence first and you don't take a kid that says "I don't want to play anywhere but XXXX" for more than just the obvious reasons.

It'd be the same as the outcry that we had to put up with when Butcher intimated that he'd rather not play for a team that deliberately threw games to get him.

1. Scully

2. Trengove

Don't want pick 6, I rate Maric far too highly.

I'd kind of prefer to keep Maric too. we really havent seen the best of him yet. And to be quite frank.... these last two years havent been really conducive to allowing the best of near anyone to come out

I think Maric still has it to become a lethal crumbing forward.. I salivate at the idea of Jurrah and Maric in the same forward line !!

Edited August 19, 2009 by belzebub59

[Clanger King 9]

I guess some are still stung by the departure of Scott Thompson 5 years ago. JtR included. Whenever a player has (SA) or (WA) next to the name, it seems it's like "proceed with caution, warning - go home factor"

Yeah I agree but I think nowa teams will be drafting more players out of the WAFL and SANFL beacuse they seem to be ready made.

I dont know the stats but I think in last years draft there were ALOT of WA players drafted (maybe even more then the TAC) compared to other years and seeing their performance in the championships this year (not losing a game) I think more and more will get selected. Even more so that there are 2 new teams coming in the next 5 years. When they actually start playingthey will want ready made teenages cause they want and need instant success to get some support and credibility.

[Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde 0]

How could they get Rohan do you think?

and Cunnington for that matter...hehe.

They wont get anywhere near them with their current pick come Nov. 28

Hawthorn will swoop.

[twist 0]

Gibbs

Pavlich

The list goes on.....

[e25 5]

did gibbs play in front of 13000 people on the weekend, your armchair critics.

So now its not necessarily the kid, its our club and the fact we had a poor turnout in the 3rd last game of a season in which we won't play finals?

Don't be so weak, back the club in to keep the kid.

[H_T 3,049]

They wont get anywhere near them with their current pick come Nov. 28

Hawthorn will swoop.

I was expecting some E=mc2 formula on how they were going to get a pick of anywhere between 1 and 7.

Indeed, they're no where near a pick that will net Rohan.

[twist 0]

That's right, you take the kid and back yourself to keep him.

Obviously you do your due diligence first and you don't take a kid that says "I don't want to play anywhere but XXXX" for more than just the obvious reasons.

It'd be the same as the outcry that we had to put up with when Butcher intimated that he'd rather not play for a team that deliberately threw games to get him.

1. Scully

2. Trengove

Don't want pick 6, I rate Maric far too highly.

Another un-educated comment.

You obviously have not seen what Rohan, Cunnington or Stevens have done this season in both TAC Cup or the Championships.

Edited August 19, 2009 by twist