In terms of your points about Clarkson, that is precisely what I was saying. He was for the heave ho, but for whatever reason, stayed on, took the bit between the teeth, was passionate about the job and instilled it into his playing list.

In terms of Carlton, you are talking about "off field" stuff. I am talking about the "Navy Blue" player spirit. In my mind, despite the odd billionaire, the Carlton faithful, which are legion, would have rallied in any event. Your "editorial" on a man's character is mis-placed in the context I am speaking about.

What year was it again? Carlton were woeful and there was talk of us being a top 4 side. Carlton beat us twice that year. With all the off field crap, the Carlton players, even with the obvious list deficiencies played for the jumper.

Once again, it seems I have to repeat myself. I am under no illusion as to what is required to make the Dees successful on the field. But that acknowledgement does not diminish the gross lack of on field spirit we currently display.

Your right, we don't need to recruit talent with picks 1 & 2, we just need develope spirit, just like the shinboners spirit, or the swans honest hard nosed never say die,,, hang on, I just saw where they lye @ the ladder >

1St_Kilda48

2Geelong48

3W_Bulldogs32

4Collingwood28

5Brisbane28

6Adelaide28

7Carlton24

8Essendon24

9Hawthorn24

10P_Adelaide24

11Sydney20

12Kangaroos16

13W_Coast12

14Richmond12

15Fremantle12

16Melbourne4

2.Mate, I have been a member of this club for 39 years. I was there in '64. Believe me, I have taken plenty of "time to understand the issues".

Take a little more time. Trust me

4.I stand by my original points. Our situation is not unique and your position only seeks to provide further excuses for failure.

More fool you.

Your right, we don't need to recruit talent with picks 1 & 2, we just need develope spirit, just like the shinboners spirit....

Yeah you're right.

No supporters, no coach, no money and no future. Just like the shinboner spirit.

As far as the OP is concerned I noticed this a fair bit and it is quite a worthy observation to raise IMO. Our players need to attack the ball more when it is in flight and as a result we may end up having more players kick to space to the running team mate rather than being under the pump to do a pin point pass. Geelong didn't dominate their game against Freo yesterday but their kicking to space was simple and effective either a lace out pass in front of their team mate or a lateral pass with their team mate running with the flight. Something we definitely need to work on but I suspect we aren't quite up to condition to do this well over 4 quarters.

What happened to the topic of my original post?!?!

Demonlanders are never interested in subtle observations of our play.

Then he left a team mid season.....he knew where the team was headed with it's list and put it in the too hard basket when he realised redeveloping the list was the next move.

I think this is a bit harsh. He was under the pump and everyone knew he was going to get the boot.

Your right, we don't need to recruit talent with picks 1 & 2, we just need develope spirit, just like the shinboners spirit, or the swans honest hard nosed never say die,,, hang on, I just saw where they lye @ the ladder >

1St_Kilda48

2Geelong48

3W_Bulldogs32

4Collingwood28

5Brisbane28

6Adelaide28

7Carlton24

8Essendon24

9Hawthorn24

10P_Adelaide24

11Sydney20

12Kangaroos16

13W_Coast12

14Richmond12

15Fremantle12

16Melbourne4

Yeah you're right.

No supporters, no coach, no money and no future. Just like the shinboner spirit.

When was the last time both of those sides one flags....... hhhmmmm spirit sounds good.