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I think its to late for kat a rebuild of the rebuild looks like the only way to go

yeah that's what I thought btw on the leadership issue, not that I may know anything about it my dad always gave the advice of ,:would you follow this man into hades through the gates of hell " and the easiest answer of that question is . RP yes.SW yes MC no but you can only answer that yourself .so on the leadership issue would you follow MC

yep deluded. betcha MC would like to have a leader in the sheds with him right now

thought it was embarrassing

macca I think cowan has been overlooked by a lot of people, his technique is better than most in the team atm Clarke will stay smith gets another 3 tests at least warner will be back wade not sure he will be anything but a stopgap batsman interesting shield opening this year with a lot of players asking their skippers if they can bat in the top 3.knowing that places are open will generate a free for all at shield level

TD, no jack Iverson? macca, early eighties, Ogilvie,sergant, toohey

say it aint so cards this sport gets hammered every day, maybe they should declare it drug induced and take the innuendo out of it its very scary for future news on evans mckewan and others now seems the statute of limitations brings forward admittance after 10 cooling off period or retirement

his last 10 tests yielded 786 runs read the roar after he was dropped also google katichbinglesymonds btw I was talking about LEADERSHIP, not whether MC is a good bat good bowler good bloke or good tactician anyway the trouble starts now with warner making 196

have you googled katichbinglesymonds its worth the laugh just to see greg Mathews comments funny. mo Mathews katich,g Lawson,and stuey McGill, all from NSW and don't like MC

agree with you macca, its very early 80s this batting line up they really have no choice but remain with the current, so who do they pick? stability is needed for the remaining 3 tests, and see if they can get something going in the right direction Clarke 5 smith6 kulwaja4 watson1 cowan , was opening and doing the dirty work. id give him the last 3 tests 1st drop. don't know. do we try hughes AGAIN glad a bowler is injured. it gives chance for bird and leg spinner.

ok rhino last crack Clarke defused his own situation by using selectors to get rid of symonds and then katich interesting after 3 years people want katich him back and as captain, because he stands up and LEADS this has been the mark against MC from the start. after his blue with katich he made sure he was dropped although he was the best performed batsman in world cricket for the 2 previous years. MC couldn't get over the personal dustup and have katich in the team, fact this has caused a major problem because when change room decisions are made you want a reliable back up to support your ideas, katich would have unfortunately without a strong personality to back you up. iekatich.the bully bros, Watson warner walk all over aleaderless team and do what they want, hence we lack LEADERSHIP and last but not least google, katich, bingle, symonds not looking for a fight , just explaining what lack of leadership does in the team enviroment

don't know much about Faulkner, thanks for the update macca.ive never seen him play sportsline this morning gave the selection process for the last 5 years a big pasting Geoff Lawson was scathing about the past 4 years and the present . he said Watson was terrible in play and body language im starting to agree with cards, maybe while were buggered we can prepare super fast strips and find out who can play and who wants to play,at least against this attack we can use our pace to have a go. also gives their bats less chance of steady all day at the crease total building, its always been said that we found our best players after the windies kicked the Christ out of us on fast wickets with speed bowlers

ok, were stuffed and after we get back home , there wont be many chances for new players to shine with limited shield games before the first test in brizzy. so what planning do we put in place between now and then first we must pick a WICKETKEEPER not a batsmen keeper, this is heartbreaking to bowlers and team. said to be best . T LUDEMAN batting line up. not rapt in smith but they have to tell him hes in for the next 8 tests and wont be dropped cowan, was doing the take the shine off the ball as an opener, dont know why he was moved to 3, kulwaja. same as smith leave him and tell him to figure it out bowling now has to take away the four balls and bring the opposition scores down from 350 to 300 agar, mmmmm wondering hop good he can bat and will he be good enough to play as an allrounder, in the future leadership. pfffft , we got none and nuffink on the way up.trouble is they wont drop golden boy and he wont move aside so some minor changes now and some major confidence boosts now, could have an effect on the future very quickly unfortunately james Sutherland went to the m.clarke school of cliché talking and doesn't have any balls for positive change

DEELUDED it did start about then,ponting as good as he was didn't want to play in a losing team, when gilly retired he wouldn't accept a wicketkeeper. he plumped for another batsmen and was happy with backstop that could make a few runs. instead of rebuilding then hayden was kept on for 10 tests to many and a young player couldn't get those early experiences under his belt. and when the end was close, instead of spending the last 3 years at no 6 and ushering in yet another cadet, oh no ricky wants to stay at 3 and ruin the chances of the younger player fitting in. it was debated by ex players in the press that he was ruining the end of a great career,by the time he retired there was no plan in place, he did state at one stage that if dropped I will play ipl and get a million dollars it was a threat that ca panicked about and did what the players wanted TD, I think they might try a soccer thing in the shield and make it compulsory to have 2 players under a certain age read my other post about katich re clarke

ended career of katich after the change room fight when simon was the only one prepared to tell him that symonds was duffing lara Clarke also now holds the world record for using the most clichés during interviews than any modern sportsperson

reckon your right also not sure about cowan, I think as an opener at least he made the seeing off the new ball his priority whilst the cupboard is bare we will have to put up with some average rubbish players and that's the nature of our shield atm one major problem has been the big bash, local players are now willing to hang around into old age because playing shield also gives them a chance at a BB contract which pays a lot of bills for 30 yo average cricketers, hence stopping them from getting out of shield to be replaced by youngsters also wondering will warner or the leg spinner be on plane back from sth Africa?

well he couldn't pull Watson and warner into line for starters mitch johnson was another one the acb had to drop because MC couldn't handle his outbursts on the last ashes tour katich was regarded as the most proficient batsmen in the world for 2 years and all of a sudden was dropped , it WAS the lara symonds Clarke blue that katich stepped in and tried to be open and clear the air , Clarke made the comment either I play IPL for a million dollars or I stay in the aussie team, he goes or I go the aussie selectors chose Clarke, big error they thought he was a leader and have found out hes just a batsmen at best btw rhino, don't want to argue with or upset you just seeing where we are at and why, as usual very depressing, its gonna take 4/6 years to rebuild

forgot about that incident that was meaningless was talking about LEADERSHIP the symonds lara katich ,CLARKE incident was in change rooms at brizzy, nothing to do with ponting leadership maybe we all may like Clarke , we may enjoy his sometimes skillfull batting ,but your getting all of that mixed up with LEADERSHIP as I said , its not his fault , but put quite simply he is not a leader I will leave the MUCKRAKING for Robbie f

smith at this stage doesn't have the temperament to play long innings at any ground and situation, this will come with patience aussie selctors spoke to doctors about paines hand, the result was he could probably get away with playing shield cricket, but to keep to 3 fast bowlers for 100 overs and back it up a day later , and then in the next test match which is usually 3 days away , would be doubtful. if you follow cricket you will realise its not as bad at shield level as being overseas and lasting 2 tests and your hand wont allow you to play the 3rd. also the level of bowlers is at a higher continuos standard for longer than shield cricket questions about clarkes leadership not batsmanship go back several years to the katich , ponting lara, symonds incident, it was said to be the break up of the aussie team which gilly also made comment about. whilst not my favourite, Clarke just doesn't know how to lead and the selectors now have a burden of nobody to step into the leadership role and they are stuck with him at least we know the bowling will stand us in good stead for the next 10 years , so that's a bonus almost forgot, the marsh boys were in a bit of ben cousins trouble that has hindered their aca contracts

tim paine , is the best keeper ,but his hands wont hold up for 5 days and back to back tests amazing you say to change after this series, well many moons ago they wanted hayden out , so that a younger player could get some tests under his belt before a coming ashes series. ponting refused to let hayden be dropped and his last 10 tests were pitiful and stopped the selecters giving a young player 10 tests to learn the ropes before the ashes, the result has been ongoing for the last 7 YEARS and this team is still paying that price. our captain has no balls and doesn't stand up to the bullies that surround him, that's why the dropping of katich was the worst thing in our last 7 years , he would have made a great leader and didn't take chit of anybody, yes a proven skipper when ponting sided with Clarke over the lara affair it spelt the death knell not only for katich but Australian cricket we wont be out of this hole for another 4 years at least we will get the occasional hero to love for a month and that's about it good strong batsmen who can handle all conditions take at least 35 tests to blossom, so it will take maybe 5 years to clear the decks of rubbish and find and teach the next lot hold on and wait because this will get very painful

said before the series started and now mickey aurthor has backed it up Watson , cancer in the team , has used DRS more than any player in world cricket.selfish bugger Clarke nice bloke , FAIR batsmen, not a leader, cant control Watson or warner . poor example of leadership lyon, cant spin hughes, still has hole outside off stump, cant play spin, doesn't like swinging delivery, otherwise ok kulwaja. was said by ACA , struggles to play spin, lacks confidence after being dropped 3 times already in career haddin, nothing but a backstop, not a wicketkeepers bootlace. haS ONLY 3 SHOTS AND 2 of them are slogs pattinson. captain has tried to harness a stallion. let him LOOSE siddle , thanks mate harris can only play limited amount on tour thanks ok starc, fat head needs kick up blurter. went for slog with a batsmen at the other end in india as we tried to save test. what to do. select a WICKETKEEPER. ludeman put trust in a young batsmen and let him play 30 tests, find a skipper tell Watson and warner they are in charge of our 1 day and 20/20 team. their good at innings in the 40s

pattinson looks a much better bowler when he is let loose it seems the problem is hes trying to bowl to much line and length that's interfering with his natural ability to bowl wicket balls

lets hope our bowlers don't get sucked into bowling trash because of the lords HILL it normally claims a victim new to the ground

bat first at lords , forget runs just BAT as long as possible and weaken their bowlers for last 3 tests just keep getting overs into swan and Anderson.a draw will suit us and get an advantage in tests 3,4,5 personally I don't think we have batsmen capable of batting for 2 days, and theres the difference between the teams

one more question TD is ashton agar known as the BATTERY