Ash35

Can anyone help me out.

When did Adelaide start playing home games at Launceston?

Especially against Hawthorn. How foolish, surely they would have an advantage playing in Adelaide.

Anyway, since Hawthorn are such a strong club that would never take a backward step, I am assuming that cos they wore their away jumpers Saturday and Adelaide were in their tradition home strips that it must have been the Crows home game.

Or maybe some common sense was used.

I think our 54 point loss at "Skilled Stadium" was a much better effort than their 71 point loss on Essendon's home ground. (Scarlett missed both matches, but we had to contend with Mooney and an in-form Hawkins,as well.)

An in-form Hawkins??? Very amusing.

Most Geelong supporters I know wanted him dropped for most of the season. Melbourne may well have played him back into form.

But back to the main point, quite possibly Melbournes effort at Geelong was better. Hard to measure.

Ottens, Scarlett, Corey & Rooke missed both games, with Mooney and Hawkins missing the other night.

No big deal there IMO.

I would have liked Hille to play for us, as it may have helped us exploit the only thing we have over Geelong which is in the ruck. It's obvious that Geelongs depth is greater than ours, so outs like Hille, Monfries and Hooker probably hurt us more than Geelong missing players, the same way resting Scully and Trengove against the Cats, and Jurrah, Pettard etc being out hurt you against them.

Yes, 54 is a smaller number than 71, but from memory I don't think at any stage Melbourne were ever "in the game" against the Cats. There were times in that 2nd quarter where Essendon were well and truly in the match. Obviously it blew out after half time, but like I said, who was better performed against the Cats is hard to measure.

All I know is Geelong should win the flag this year, no questions asked. So everyone else is playing for second. Very reminiscent of 2000.

That's always bothered me...

So the good teams get to play in the grounds they WANT to play in, solely because they're bigger and richer? The Collingwoods and Essendons therefore don't travel as much and are, in general, more likely to win more games...

Well, it's more about where Geelong want to play, not Essendon or Collingwood.

We played Geelong Round 1 at the MCG, it was Geelongs home game and drew 58,000 odd.

So Geelong get bigger crowds playing Essendon at the MCG than it would at Geelong.

Plus, as someone has said, hardly any Essendon supporters would get in at Geelong, so most of their crowd will be made up of Geelong members who are already paid up. Home games at the MCG give them more of the opposition supporters dollar.

Get to a stage where you can guarantee drawing 60,000 to a home Geelong game at the MCG, and you'll stop having to go to Geelong.

I would be very suprised if this was the case. I am not sure where that suggesting has come from. Is there a quote from anyone regarding this?

Be prepared to be surprised.

It was reported about a week ago.

The AFL has pledged to support Essendon's bid to poach rugby league star Greg Inglis with a promotional arrangement similar to those of code-hoppers Israel Folau and Karmichael Hunt.

Buoyed by the defection of Hunt and Folau, AFL market development manager David Matthews said the league would do all it could to financially entice Inglis to make the leap.

"I don't know Greg and I don't know how well Essendon know him, but he's certainly an enormous indigenous name across New South Wales and Queensland," Matthews told SEN radio.

"If there was capacity for him to do more work in the indigenous field across those two states while he was playing south, it might be something that's attractive.

"If Essendon wanted to chat to us about a potential role for any of their players in helping promote the game, we'd look at it beyond what the normal contracts are."

In this case, if Essendon's alternate strip didn't remove the clash with St Kilda, then they need a new alternate strip. Simple as that.

Which is sort of what I'm saying. But the AFL are in charge, it's up to them to make Essendon change it. Essendon aren't going to do it off their own bat.

But I'm sounding repetitive.

Balls, I apologise if I'm not articulating my posts well enough, cos a quote like this from you "As's theory is 'well you guys have one, so just wear that and we'll be sweet."obviously shows that either you aren't actually reading what I am posting, or I'm not getting my message across clearly enough. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

At the risk of being repetitive, I'll try just one more time.

People here, and I tend to agree, seem to think that the AFL approved "fat sash" jumper doesn't really differ enough from Melbournes traditional jumper. So come the Round 15 match, when Essendon is wearing that jumper and Melbourne by rights are wearing the traditional strip, we could still be faced with a jumper clash. The facts of the situation are, a new Essendon away jumper isn't going to be created before then. So to stop all the confusion and post game whinging from any parties, how about both teams wear away jumpers, and the AFL make sure that next season, and going forward, Essendon do have a better away jumper.

Or Melbourne can draw lines in the sand, and stand their ground, and when James Frawley handballs to Alwyn Davey for a goal cos he thought it was Aaron, everyone can complain again.

Essendon should have been made to come up with a better away jumper, agreed.

Melbourne should have every right to wear a traditional jumper for home games, agreed.

But until the AFL step in, and force a change, Melbourne home games involving Essendon will always cause problems.

To answer one of your other points.

Not sure the away jumper has to be predominately white. Richmonds has extra yellow I think. Essendons obviously has more red. If Melbourne were told it needs more white, take it up with the AFL. Again, like Collingwood, I have never had an issue with Melbourne/Sydney games if the Swans have their red shorts, and Melbourne the blue shorts. Not sure how an away jumper would be needed, but again, we are dealing with the muppets at AFL house.

Collingwoods white jumper avoids clash's with St Kilda, Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Essendon, Carlton....any more you need?

They are fortunate to not have to change their jumpers too much. But at least they meet the AFL Guidelines. Essendon = Fail. Your 'arrangement' with Etihad is suspect too. How is it that you still charge 17 away game members $5.00 to get into the ground? What a joke.

Pizz off to a Bumbers forum Ash. You are beginning to be a pest.

Cool, I've only been on here for 9 years, and now I'm becoming a pest.

I'm just trying to have a measured discussion about jumper clashes, and you are going off on all sorts of tangents. $5.00 charges to get into the footy? It might be a charge for a seat, as all Essendon home games at Etihad are ticketed matches. Not too sure, as I am an Essendon member with a reserved seat, it doesn't affect me. Again, if Essendon were smart enough to organise that as part of the deal, good luck to us.

Anyway "Balls", I didn't actually realise Collingwood and Melbourne jumpers ever clashed, but as you point out, I'm misinformed.

Collingwood do have a predominantly white strip mate. The lose the black back and wear their 90's all white with black stripes strip. Again you are very much misinformed.

Essendon are most uncooperative at the moment in regards to clash jumpers. They should get the red shorts out and reverse the sash and body to avoid clashes with sides wearing dark jumpers. Not that hard.

Yep, that Collingwood reverse jumper really helps when they play North Melbourne. But no, you're right, I'm obviously the one misinformed. If Essendon away jumper is a joke, Collingwoods is an academy award winning comedy that's broken all box office records.

And mate, I would love to see the red shorts back again, or what ever is needed to stop a clash.

As I said, I really don't care what we wear, as long as a clash is avoided. Obviously the Essendon FC have a different view, but again, blame the AFL for giving our away jumper the all clear.

You are missing the point Ash mate! How different was the Saints jumper? The one yesterday? Little larger white in the middle and the back is white not black. Correct. Same design in principle though yeah? What changes did Essendon make? just a fatter sash yeah? OK now look at the changes the AFL have asked Melbourne to Make. They now expect us to wear a predominantly white jumper. Its teh team of the red and the blue. No white about it mate!! Why should we give up our jumper at our home game. How about your mob go red with black sash? Is that to much? It really is a joke.

IF WE ARE FORCED to change jumpers vs. Essendon, can we go with the 70's-80's Royal Blue. I mean that's the whole reason we went that way in the begiining.

The point I'm making is, Essendons away jumper is what it is. We've come up with a design [unlike Collingwood] and the AFL has approved it.

So now we have to deal with what we have. Everyone is carrying on about "the arrogant Bombers", well Essendon have an away strip, and will wear if told to. I think peoples anger should be at the AFL, not Essendon.

I keep saying that I agree, Melbourne shouldn't have to wear an away strip for a home game, but for the sake of this match, if it turns out that Essendons away jumper doesn't differ enough from Melbournes home jumper, use common sense, and after this season, get the AFL to change Essendons away strip for future games. It ain't going to change between now and when we play you.

On Sunday, common sense prevailed, well done St Kilda.

Not sure why people get so upset about this type of stuff.

Who cares who gets nominated, and in the end, even the winner means nothing. Best performed young player in their first year. Big deal. Doesn't guarantee a great career.

Look at some past winners and see how their careers have unfolded.

Some have become champions [Riewoldt, Goodes, Cousins] and some have failed to live up to expectations [Michael Wilson, Rivers, Koschitzke, Pearce].

Yes, it's nice to be recognised in an award like this, but really, in the end, it means very little.

Hopefully McKenzie gets his nomination, but whether it is in round 8 or round 22, does it really matter.

Hi Ash.

I don't mind our club wearing an away clash jumper at Essendon home games.

Emotional or not, I don't think Mfc should have to bend over to wearing an alternative jumper, when it's our "home" fixture.

Fwiw, I would rather Essendon wear their normal jumper against us, than the away clash jumper (with more red) at our home games. Less of a clash.

Can't understand why Essendon doesn't just wear one of their training jumper designs (white) with the red & black Bomber logo on the front. Black numbers.

To be honest, I really don't care if we wear pink with purple spots, as long as it doesn't clash I'm happy. Hence why I was so impressed with St Kilda and Essendon yesterday.

The Essenson board/marketing gurus/whoever have come up with our alternate jumper, the AFL have approved it, so it won't change. But from a supporters point of view, I'd actually prefer we did wear a silver or white jumper so discussions like this don't occur. But the facts are, it is what it is. I agree, not much of a change to the original, but as I said, it's AFL approved, so it won't change.

Melbourne have every right to wear their home jumper at home games, but the point I was making was St Kilda chose to wear their away jumper yesterday, and it was a much better spectacle. No one is saying "oh, weren't St Kilda weak for not sticking to their guns and wearing their home jumpers". No, I'm congratulated them for doing the common sense thing.

Really don't care, but it was after Mitchell got up off the ground, I wonder why he was on the ground?

Exactly. Mitchell got up off the ground and went straight for Nason, so obviously he was retaliating to something Nason had done. Whether it warranted a hair pull, who knows.

Despite a few opinions on here, I don't think Mitchell is the sort of player that would pull hair without a reason.

Hayden Ballantyne on the otherhand.....

Not sure if there was any offical call from the AFL on the St Kilda/Ess game.

Maybe both clubs just used common sense. There was no clash what so ever.

Really, people get too emotional about all of this type of stuff. Essendon has an away jumper, which they wore yesterday. So in July, or whenever we play Melbourne, we will wear it if Melbourne is the home team.

But I congratulate St Kilda on using some common sense, also wearing an away jumper, and the result being no clash at all.

If Melbourne have to also wear an away jumper against Essendon, isn't it better that both teams are in away jumpers with no clash, than Melbourne "drawing a line in the sand" and there being a clash?

Taken at a good angle to enhance. Helps too with a weight (~20Kg).

Yep, on the back page holding that weight certainly helps.

The pic on page 123 isn't anywhere near as impressive.

It might take a couple of preseasons before he reaches AFL size. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.

Just heard but not 100% that it is going to be Jamar and pick 11 for Shaun Burgouyne. Just waiting for confirmation.

Only just heard it hey?

Obviously not from Peter Rohde who just said that Port have been focusing solely on getting Burgoyne to Hawthorn and haven't even contemplated getting Mark Jamar to Port in any trade.

And with all due respect to Lovett, you'd rather Schoenmakers, Birchall and Lewis, who are significantly younger and more promising.

As I said, pick 18 and Jamar allows Port to cover their ruck needs plus they get pick 18. We can also swap third round picks.

But I suspect we're meeting with Burgoyne to try and grab him in the PSD, and not because we're willing to upstage any possible offers to Port.

I think you are right about the PSD option. I think it's the only way SB will get to Melbourne.

Port are keen on Lovett apparently, but you are probably right, especially with relation to those players ages. But Lovett would be an asset in Ports team. Averaged 21 touches a game this year, and was in the top 10 for goal assists as well as being dangerous around the goals himself. They lose Burgoyne, Lovett could step into that midfield role.

This is slighlty off topic, and this is probably where I differ from most on here, Jamar isn't much chop. He is hugely overrated by most on here. Talk of getting pick 9 for him is some of the most fanciful stuff I have ever heard. Whether Port need a ruckman or not, Jamars worth to Melbourne is much greater than his worth to anyone else. If you got a 3rd round pick for him, that would be about it.

I reckon Melbourne want to keep him anyway.

Edit: Port are delusional if they think Hawthorn are giving them Schoenmakers, Birchall or Lewis PLUS pick 9. No wonder the Hawks have backed down a little.

Well, if you believe the papers, Essendon has put Lovett and Pick 10 on the table for Burgoyne. I suppose the difference is that Lovett is already leaving.

Jamar+18 or PSD!

PSD it is then.

If Port are knocking back Hawthorns offer of pick 9 and a player, I really doubt pick 18 and an ordinary run of the mill player like Jamar will ticky their fancy.

I still can't see Burgoyne going anywhere except Hawthorn.

Everitt is contracted and can't go anywhere unless the Dogs agree.

The Dogs will not take pick 27 for him, when we're willing to give pick 18.

So either Everitt stays with the Dogs, or he goes to the club that gives the Dogs the best deal.

Which would be St Kilda with pick 16 I would think.

yeah cos they are quite happy to pay over the odds.

or more like Melbourne aren't able to.

Plus, you have so much young talent coming through, it could get dangerous.

Still, we are all just guessing really, I'm sure the [censored] for tat will stop now.

Doesn't matter, Cartlon won't get rid of Fevola. They won't win a premiership without him and they know it.

Hmmmm.....fresh from the CFC website :

The Carlton Football Club has advised Brendan Fevola and his management that it will be working to secure a trade that will see Brendan join another club during next week's AFL Exchange Period.

The Club will make no further comment on the discussions on the future of Brendan Fevola or any other players until the Exchange Period next week and a final decision is made on his future.

Do we really want this, Redleg? If we drove Alwyn's price up last year, and they drove Aaron's up today, I'd rather leave it at that rather than have the Montagues and Capulets obliterating each other's salary caps in the future every time someone comes out of contract.

Exactly. This may have been in response to Melbournes attempts to lure Alwyn last year.

Essendon is probably one club you wouldn't want to get into this sort of battle with.

Now, let's go after Hurley.

yeah, like he wants to play for Melbourne.

Pick a realistic target perhaps.

Maybe have another crack at Alwyn.

The world's smallest violin player will be busy at the Essendon camp

Yeah.

As an Essendon fan, I can't say I'm exactly shattered by this news.

In fact, very happy we are not locked into a 4 year deal, especially for the sort of dosh that was being reported.

A great result for Aaron, IMO a good result for Essendon, and probably a good result for MFC, except for those who were originally offering Davey a two year deal.

At least he will stay a one club player.

Should also mention if (massive if) I was going to take a player from Essendon it must be out of their best 22 & one they want to keep.

That may be what you want, but reality is I doubt you'll get that for Davey.

You reckon Essendon overate our own, have a listen to yourself.

Davey had a good season in 2009, and yes, may win your B & F in a team that won 4 games.

Mind you, he wasn't rated in the top 40 players in the comp by the All-Australian selectors.

Pick 10 and maybe a Leroy Jetta type is about what you are looking at.

And forget Gumbleton. Essendon won't trade him, but if he goes anywhere, it will be back to WA.

I actually don't know why Essendon are chasing him so hard. $2.3 mil for 4 years is way over the top for Aaron Davey. If we grab him, it's a bonus, but I wouldn't be moving heaven and earth to snare him.

trade Pick 18 and Jamar to Port for Pick 8..................

easily the funniest thing I have read on the internet this year.

Port are knocking back Hawthorns offer of pick 9 for Burgoyne, yet they'll be happy to take Jamar and #18 for pick 8.

hahaha..it's gold.