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7 hours ago, Macca said:

Yep, and the whining and constant moaning about McGowan is born out of petty jealousy & envy in my view. It's as if these types wanted WA to share our lockdowns, mask wearing and over run hospitals. 

And every State closed their borders when it suited as well.  So we can do it but not WA?  Hypocrisy, contradiction & an inconsistent argument often reigns supreme when it comes to these matters

NZ stopped nearly all international flights for a decent period of time ... didn't see anyone complaining about their stance either

Nothing to do with left or right wing politics either.  Taken on face value he managed to keep covid out of his State and thus saved hundreds of lives. Perhaps 1000's of lives were saved. Kudos to the bloke

Landslide victory resulted as well (53 seats to 4) so the people of WA love the bloke

I do not lean left or right with politics so McGowan could be the leader of the Liberal party and it wouldn't change my opinion

And let's not forget that the same people who stand behind McGowan also got behind our team in the finals.  They acted like a normal Demons crowd (which was stunning)

And the timing of their inevitable opening up coincided with Omicron being the dominant variant.  So less deaths and less ICU patients than the Delta variant (?)

There's the odd anti-vaxxer who has taken a different stance over there but they are part of a small minority group

great post

On 3/25/2022 at 7:02 PM, Jaded No More said:

1000% 

Their premier is a complete moron and has proven what a waste of time it was to delay reopening the borders for the third time. It did absolutely nothing to delay Covid and Omicron. Should have opened up when they reached 90% double vaccinated as per original plan. 
Could have been over their wave in time for the footy season instead of having restrictions that other states have given up on months ago. 

He must be doing something right. They've had 50 deaths, whereas those of us in the eastern states have had about 5000. 

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i'd call call this pretty much flatlining in victoria

in fact icu and ventilation is going down noticeably

VIC HOSPITALISED

Cases Admitted to Hospital

DATE	HOSP	ICU	VENT
30 Dec 21	395	55	23
29 Dec 21	397	62	28
28 Dec 21	361	69	33
27 Dec 21	368	80	38
26 Dec 21	374	77	43
25 Dec 21	361	71	42
24 Dec 21	397	75	40
Week	-3	-17	-16

Hey Daisy

 My wife tells me they're having a real battle in the ED to keep people out of ICU - ie keeping them in  bays, hoping they can be sent home. I gather they're really nervous about what's coming down the line. 

On 12/29/2021 at 8:26 AM, faultydet said:

What can one say about a man who pulls stuff out of his arz and proclaims it as fact?

I've never said opening will make the virus disappear. I have said I don't like the hysteria that many on here show, and that it's past time that all restrictions on movement and freedoms were lifted. I mean banning dancing and singing for Christ sake...... 

Don't make siht up please.

I know there are a few doctors and other medical professionals on this site, and doubtless they know much more than me. But please.... My wife is a senior nurse in the Emergency Department of a major Melbourne Hospital. This has been going on for two years. She and her colleagues are absolutely exhausted, and extremely worried the health system is being overwhelmed. If that happens, there'll be consequences for us all: cancer patients, cardio, accidents ...everything.

So please...don't describe sensible healthcare measures as 'restrictions on your freedom'. Don't come on here whinging about 'banning dancing'. Have you ever actually watched somebody doing the slow, horrible lonely dance of death that Covid causes? She has.

And by the way, she and most of her friends are furious at what Morrison is (we presume) trying to do right now. It's just 'let it rip' under another name. Health care workers are being asked to put their lives at risk so that Morrison can win the next election. 

59 minutes ago, Mr Steve said:

JBs is the go and they are on spec every couple of weeks. You even have a choice of which commentary you want to run. 

Great - thanks Steve - will follow up - cheers

Afternoon all - just wondering if someone could give me advice about buying a DVD of the Grand Final. Couldn't see one at the Demons' Shop website (would love to have one that didn't include BT).

Cheers

1 hour ago, Macca said:

If you are talking about Dr Angelique Coetzee I can't find anything that she has said other than Omicron having mild symptoms and different symptoms to Delta

Can you provide a link to back up what else she might have said (specifically older/at risk people)

Hey Macca

I've heard the comments from Coetzee about it having mild symptoms thus far, but I noticed both the Commonwealth CHO and Norman Swan warning that that may just be because most of the results have come from South Africa, which has a very young population. Let's just wait a few weeks then hopefully we'll know more.   

On 11/26/2021 at 9:08 PM, Dante said:

So if they don't get sick, do they get their money back?

It's like putting someone in jail because you think they may commit a crime.

no it's not

3 hours ago, deegirl said:

Who remembers the scene in Trainspotting where Begbie lectures Renton about using heroin? 

‘No wey would I poison my body with that [censored].  All they [censored] chemicals’ (while smashing a scotch & sucking on a dury). 
 

That’s what these anti-vax types sound like when they say they don’t trust what’s in the vaccine. 

Don't trust the vaccine because they don't know what's in it. Yeah - like they know what's in a can of coke or a carton of KFC.

On 11/3/2021 at 8:43 PM, WalkingCivilWar said:

Rn I’m watching the second half of the prelim again coz… why not? I was just thinking about how the word ‘legend’ gets bandied around a lot. So much so that it’s kind of lost its potency. But… Maxy Gawn. I mean seriously, from the winner after the siren in Rd 23 through the prelim with his five goal haul and on to captain the Mighty Dees to an historic Premiership victory. This is the stuff of folklore. 
MINSTRELS WILL WRITE SONGS ABOUT HIM!

🏆❤️💙😁❤️💙🏆

Ha ha! Why not? I'll have a go (after thinking that to play like he did all year is like winning a marathon, and about what a cunning bu&%#ger the big boy is)

How did he win the marathon

Maxy Maxy Maxy?

He floated to the back of the field

And jumped into a taxi.

13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The player I referred to was Jonathan Isaac who outlined he reasoning why he feels protected after having covid. Whether you're protected by having covid as much as by getting the vaccine is up for debate. Reinfections seem higher than breakthrough infections, but in a fit healthy athlete there might not be much difference.

Of course he's still wrong, because having covid then being vaccinated is the best possible situation. It makes you super immune.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/health/if-youve-had-covid-do-you-need-the-vaccine.html

Still being worked out, but from what I can see, having the virus gives you some immunity for 6-8 months. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know 

Vaccines and boosters the only way out. If you think you can depend upon your low BMI or your impressive pecs to get you out of this, you're cruising for a bruising. This bloody disease is like a heat-seeking missile - it'll seek you out, hunt you and your loved ones down.  Every day we hear the various CHOs saying something along the lines of 90% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated.  All those fools ( I mean the unvaxed, not the CHOs) are doing is providing a breeding ground for mutant strains. God help us all when they emerge. 

16 hours ago, Webber said:

Certainly was. Post-war, in fact post-polio in the 1950’s, our infrastructural pandemic response was high. Fairfield Hospital as @Premiers has mentioned, and Point Nepean quarantine facility to mention two now non-existent entities. Without getting too political (though it’s not really possible), the Kennett years savaged Victoria’s public health protections. Labour governments as you say haven’t had anywhere near the guts to repair it. NSW avoided the Kennett effect. The broader trend is post-war neo-liberalism’s erosion of governmental responsibility for health. The rise of Private Health, which creates a horribly ‘haves’ and ‘have-nots’ system in itself (just look at the US), together with growing societal wealth disparity simply means we have an under-resourced, hierarchical system of health provision and protection. COVID should be the biggest wake-up call. I’m not hopeful. We can, as you also say, vote for a correction. But we need the choice to be offered. Depressing.
 

As a positive, the paramedic student I treated was attracted to the profession only because of a complete overhaul of pay and conditions, which people may remember was such a hot union issue a few years ago (ambulances with ‘graffiti’ calling for improvements?). They now get 12 weeks annual holiday, protections on the job through better staffing, mental health care, etc. They are an essential Public Health Service that was being run into the ground by economic deprivation and staff exploitation. Oddly enough, it’s now seen as a much more attractive profession. Would that this model be applied universally, and those who hoard an ever-greater slice of the wealth pie be a MUCH bigger part of footing the bill. We’ll see. 

 

Hey Webber - a really interesting post. You obviously know a lot more about it than I do, but I'm not sure it's just a matter of Labor lacking the guts. It's more a matter of our 'common-wealth' being eroded by years of progressively shrinking tax revenue and smaller government...ie they lack the money, not the guts. The latest tax cuts from Morrison, in which somebody on $200,000 will pay the same percentage as somebody on $40,000, will presumably accelerate the situation.  

12 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Has to be Fritsch’s fourth goal. The third stemmed the bleeding but his solo fourth effort sparked the unstoppable run on. Returned the players belief they could do anything. 

Yep, all of that. It was the recovery. A rare thing, such reflexes. Think of how much effort you put into going for the mark, and then to rebound like that. As John just said, it was the spark.

Wonderful topic. Still glowing, can't wipe the smile off my face.

So many to choose from. Think I'll go for Fritta's. As Leave it just said, the recovery was amazing. 

Waking up worn out with happiness. Thanks Melbourne - and thanks Demonland.

2 hours ago, KysaiahMessiah said:

That one disgusted me, could have killed him or at least paralysed him

Long did a lot of good work in opposition to racism over the years, but he'd have to do a damn sight more before I'll ever forgive him for that. Happened right in front of me. Sickening. 

31 minutes ago, Kent said:

Do you include the Black lives matter and the extinction protesters in this  and btw there are as many epidemiologists' opinions as there are epidemiologists 

We must vaccinate as we do for all other diseases  

Not sure what you're trying to say. I'm in favour of the public health rules, so of course I'm against public protests for virtually any cause right now.

Professional epidemiologists may vary slightly in their views, but you'd have to go a long way to find one who'd support the anti-vax gibberish a few people have posted on this thread. 

6 hours ago, Jaded said:

Can we PLEASE remove all the clear misinformation in this thread regarding vaccines?

If you are a Melbourne supporter and you plan on attending games next year, I suggest you get yourself vaccinated and quickly. Daniel Andrews made it pretty obvious today that no jab no footy entry. 

Just another reason to do the right thing and get jabbed! 

Hear hear. Please get this anti-vax crap outta here.

Vaccines are the only defence we have against this disease which - as well as killing millions of people - is preventing most of us from watching live the best team we've had in fifty years, not to mention removing our home ground advantage. Anti-vax jerks are the reason we're in this mess. Interesting article by epidemiologist on the ABC website this morning pointing out that both of our recent surges have occurred in the wake of those massive fruitcake protests in the city. 

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Thank you to each and every Victorian who has done the wrong thing and ruined the grand final for us. Really, truly, thank you.

 

And a special shout out to my mate Scotty for his vaccination stroll out program. I look forward to getting to the MCG in 2098.

I knew it was coming but it still hurts. Been a supporter for 60 years, member for over twenty. Best chance we've had for a flag in that time. Somewhere inside me was a quiet little prayer that the numbers would come down and we just might be able to sneak into The G. All gone because Morrison, unlike just about every other leader in the developed world, couldn't organize a vaccine and Gladys wanted a bloody picnic.  

2 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

One person decided that their symptoms didn't warrant a test and they would go visit their frail elderly mother in a nursing home anyway.

After working to midnight last night my wife and several other staff are currently working for their full weekend to help radically reorganise a large aged care roster, identify who needs to be isolated and where needs to be deep cleaned. This process includes the awful aspect of needing to relocate people with varying levels of dementia. All this is being done in the full human condom PPE outfits. She'll be skipping lunch because it just isn't practical.

That story just keeps repeating and repeating everywhere you look in any part of the care sectors.

I'm running out of patience for the self-indulgent gits of Australia, whether it is the smug complacent establishment types like Kennett and Hazzard or the parolee social club out 'protesting' on the streets of Melbourne.

Hey Goffy

Give your wife our love. What a job. Mine's doing similar - works as a midwife in a major hospital's Emergency Dept. My god, they're doing it tough. She's asleep right now, getting ready to do a night shift - and she'll have to wake up and see on the news that a bunch of morons are out there protesting for their 'liberties'. Liberties ...jeez, what's that even mean? Their god-given right to infect and kill their own grandparents.? You could add all their IQs together and you wouldn't get Tom Scully's father (sorry, I don't think I know exactly what that means either, but you get the gist - he was just the dumbest person I could think of when I wrote that sentence)

Cheers  

4 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The one thing to look forward to while I wait to hear if my husband is out of work (as are all his employees) for the foreseeable future due to further lockdowns. 

Can’t say this game is at the forefront of my mind but I am really hoping we can win and bring a much needed bit of joy to many Melbourne supporters stuck in Covid hell. 

Good luck, Jaded. 

3 hours ago, GBDee said:

I’ve kept quiet on here since I joined - the nuances of the modern game are so far removed from what I grew up with in early 60’s Melbourne that I feel under-qualified  to comment in depth - but I truly believe our time has come. I fell in love with the Demons back then, I was there in ‘64 and I’ll be shouting at my tv with the rest of you here in England.  Finals start tomorrow and it’s our time folks. 

Love this comment. That's about how I feel (including the bit about often feeling under-qualified to comment) Good luck to you (and to us all)

10 hours ago, olisik said:

Do yourselves a favour and don’t look at Jeff Kennets Twitter  right now

The genius who closed the Fairfield infectious diseases hospital? 

The Elliott [censored] on 3AW is worse. Dan Andrews could discover a cure for cancer and Elliott would be bagging him for putting oncologists out of work.

4 hours ago, rjay said:

This woman has given up...her attitude from the start has put us where we are.

The last sentence is a beauty..political spin when leadership is needed.

I don't have any confidence now that we will be out of this mess for a long time.

"I appreciate what we are going through looks difficult but every state in Australia will need to come to terms with the fact that when you get to a certain level of vaccination and open up, Delta will creep in.

"We can't pretend that we will have a zero cases around Australia with Delta.

"As the Doherty report says, once you get to 80 per cent double dose and you have to open up, everyone will have to learn to live with Delta.

"In New South Wales, we are learning that earlier than others."

I'm just catching up with the day's news. Lemme get this straight. Berejiklian is suggesting we have to learn to live with covid? Ie Let it rip? This just after her state's been given the majority of the new Pfizer doses?

Jeez... I didn't mind the extra shots going to NSW because that's where the worst outbreak is (even though that was partly her fault because of her pathetic lockdown), but it's a bit rich if they're going to vax up then let the rest of us suffer - especially Victoria, whose residents have suffered more than anyone.

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

Our track record is not good though is it?

anyway, I’m not dealing with it well today. I’ll stop posting on this thread in case I’m dragging others down too. 
 

Good luck, friend. Lockdown/s tough, but the alternative's worse. As someone else said above, the footy has been a pleasant distraction. Maybe we'll even see Max holding up the cup.