Cranky Franky

On 4/20/2021 at 8:22 AM, Elwood 3184 said:

Three years on the list =

Year 1 at Casey with Bayden Preuss occupying the ruck position for most of the season.

Year 2 in a hub with zero matches other than some Mickey Mouse make up games.

Year 3 (one round played)

You call that 3 years?

And what statistical information due you bring to the table about the changes in his playing weight over that time?

You are correct - he has effectively been on the list 1 year.  I reckon he needs to show something by the end of the year to get renewed.

19 minutes ago, Yung Blood said:

Anyone know the last time a senior listed player kicked 7 goals in the reserves and didn't make the AFL team the following week?

Pretty sure it was a common occurrence in bygone days. Mark Jackson had a season with Richmond ressies, topped the goalkicking in the comp but couldn't get a senior game.

Same with Allen Jackovich early at Melb & I recall a Dees reserves player called Louis Tesoriero in the 70's kicking a swag but not getting a senior game.

1 hour ago, don cordner said:

 Watching the game against Hawks, ANB had one kick to Brown on a lead which was effective, every sing thing he did other than that was a clanger, sorry but in my mind he is one of the worst AFL footballers going around, I don't care how good he can run or how much pressure he applies off the ball. Has to be dropped!

The problem is that the coach just LURVES ANB & Melksham & they both get treated better than some of the other players.

Watched the whole Casey game & both Toby & Chandler impressed.  Toby was a bit quieter in 2nd half.

If they keep that form up both will be in the firsts before too long.

6 Gawn

5 Langdon

4 Lever

3 Tom M

2 Rivers

1 Salem

3 hours ago, 640MD said:

Daw.  Not on that game ordinary!

thought many others 

much better 

I thought Daw's ruck work was solid all game.

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

And what great advice would he have to pass on?

Patton is lucky not to be in jail

very ordinary human being 

Ah SWYL - The Hanging Judge - predictable comments.

Can you provide evidence that his offences deserved jail. No doubt you would have given Liam Jurrah 10 years in the slammer for his indiscretions.

I happen to believe in redemption & 2nd chances. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity & am sorry he retired.

I guess you never stuffed up in your 20's.

10 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Patton announces immediate AFL retirement and apologises for ‘inappropriate behaviour’

A shame for mine.  He claims to have genuine regret for his actions. I would have liked to see him become a spokesman & educate young players coming into the system on how to relate to women properly.

57 minutes ago, deanox said:

I'd consider Petty forward and Hibberd back for May.

We'd still have the flexibility to throw Petty back if we need the extra height.

Petty won't play there long, but I'm expecting Brown back for the tiges.

No, no no no no. Dunno why Demonlanders keep on about this.  If you had watched lots of him at Casey as I have you would know he is a natural defender.

I doubt he will ever play forward again.

1 hour ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Would agree with the assessments on Bartlett. Easily the best club president of my time in that for the bulk of his tenure he has lived up to the Paul Roos maxim on football boards: the best boards are professional, united and silent (I think that was the quote). 
Sure, there were occasional brain farts here and there (the New York Yankees quote, the comments after the Port game, not talking to PJ before appointing Pert), but this is the first transition I can remember since 1996 where there hasn’t been an ongoing slanging match between the incoming and outgoing parties, or there was some type of bewildering fiasco or financial meltdown. 
For that alone, he deserves credit. A healthy balance sheet and a considerably better product on field gives Bartlett the guernsey for best president of my time so far. ??

Almost perfect summary there CF.

I would add his silly boycott of Caroline Wilson for her critical comments but generally has been a pretty decent Chairman.

Ridiculous claim.  Only Tom Mc, Kozzie & Fritta have the potential to be elite.

Our defence, ruck & mids are elite our fwd line is not.

3 hours ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Equality means equal for both parties.  It is better in some places in the world, but i think you are so far off the mark here it just screams ignorance and male entitlement.   i might need a reality check and live in fantasy land as you put it, but i would say you need to delve a bit deeper and look within yourself.

You still did not answer why you reacted in such a way?

Please explain !

Do you want equality of opportunity or equality of outcome ? 

They are very different things.

The majority of Presidents and CEO's I have seen at the MFC have been average plodders with a few complete farc ups and the very odd outstanding ones.

If Kate turns out to be a competent plodder I'll be happy.

11 hours ago, Hampton 22 said:

Warren Dean was one of the finest kicks I have seen in many decades following the Dees. 

Finest ???

I don't think so.  He could kick a long, long way when he got onto one  but could be very wayward with his accuracy.

2 hours ago, dieter said:

You are trying to turn this into an issue of semantics using every slight of hand known by the Jesuits and the so-called legal 'Profession'. The bottom line, Crank, is you seem stuck on defending the status quo, a status quo which allowed the likes of Risdale and the men who brutalised the likes of Rod Owen to keep on getting away with it, while you and your like wear powdered wigs and call each other Your Honour while little boys and girls get raped. In the meantime, if the boys and girls who have survived their ordeals come out and seek justice, your like want to do epistemology, your version of logic and try to get the victim to produce the 'evidence'. You are very blinded by the trees, mister.

I think you're having an existential crisis so good luck sorting it out.

49 minutes ago, dieter said:

Yep: like the camera men at the Whitehouse who watched Clinton and Lewinsky. 

I don't think you get it. DC: the Pells of the world don't rape in front of cameras. 

FYI there is a list of complaints about Pell's behaviour which goes back to the 1960's.  Obviously all this is a Leftie, David Marr, and ABC-inspired plot to de-frock the man Greg Sheridan wanted to be the next Pope after the German Pope said Let me outta here.

And you can't keep hiding behind the specious defence that there were no witnesses. There very, very rarely are because people who rape kids and women always take this legal loophole into account. 

Dieter you are all over the shop jumping from one thing to another & always avoiding any question you are asked.

Please go & look up epistemology, logic and the basics of providing evidence for your arguments.

I just hope you never serve on a jury.

20 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

News Cameramen in County towns, back in 80’s got to see and hear everything that went on. 
i have no reason at all to doubt what i was told, when people do the same job at different times and recall the same stories

Pell is an evil Rock Spider who was given permission to fly back to Peadophile Head Office.

He beat the System and he must be so proud of that fact

Well Pell isn't exactly on my Xmas card list. He is an appalling human being & my ex parish priest is Kevin O'Donnell who died in jail & was a convicted pedophile.

The point is that we have a legal system which I think you'll agree is better than a lynch mob some seem  to be advocating or a Countrytown Cameraman's Court.

As I said one jury failed to reach a verdict. Justice Weinberg in the Court of Appeal and 7 High Court judges all said the verdict was wrong.

18 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

But they play matches just not for points.  I don't see the issue.  Practice matches might actually be better because they will have more flexibility.  I'd understand if there were no matches but there are.  We played an intra club with the Casey boys last week. All the players would have a good hit out. 

We play Willy this week.  It's no different from a VFL match for points.  It's a non issue as long as there are matches.

The real issue is byes during the season.  That's rubbish.

The issue is the continual demise of the lower competitions. It will have a lasting negative impact on the game.

There used to be 20 VFL teams with reserves & junior teams. Plus the Federal league and lots of suburban & bush leagues. 

3 minutes ago, dieter said:

Um, you don't get a lot of things, Crank, because you have a very closed mind. Not only that, by quoting Eastman and CHamberlain, you are actually proving my point that the Justice System we are yoked to, is flawed. Why should it take repeated trials to 'get it right'?

And last but not least, the catalogue of complaints about Pell is as long as the conga line of suckholes like you who point out that Pell is innocent because a  couple of High Court judges said so. You live in a Fantasyland which automatically classifies the victims of evil maggots like Pell as liars. Men like you are part of the problem. No wonder victims of rape don't bother reporting anything.

 

Well Diet its a full time job for me trying to point out your continuous logical fallacies because you don't understand reason and logic.

Your last para doesn't make any sense & is on par with some of your classic statements.

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

What a debacle

the VFL still doing pre-season pratice matches when we are up to round 4.

Amateur hour

 

Agree a disaster for those players outside the 22 trying to get match fit & impress.  And there are still 3 byes a year for teams. The VFL is continually degraded & it is our loss.

Maybe Gil & the executives could take a paycut & divert the $ to the VFL.

2 hours ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

Only Pell and his alleged victim(s) know for sure if he's guilty or not. 

But the fact is that he was found guilty by a jury. Rightly or wrongly, he got off in the end because he had the financial backing to go through every possible avenue of appeal. 

Actually he got off because the High Court said the jury got it wrong based on the evidence presented.

Don't forget at his first trial the jury was unable to reach a verdict.

And finally lets not forget that the juries at the "Joh" trial, the David Eastman trial and the Lindy Chamberlain trial all got it dreadfully wrong.

35 minutes ago, dieter said:

The bottom line is that the so-called Law regarding Rape is stacked in favour of the rapist. What has also magnified the damage is the guilt and shame the victims feel, their powerlessness, the fact that in Pell's Ballarat time, abuse victims were also victimised by the authorities they reported to, parents in some cases the victimisers. Pell basically got off because one of his victims had suicided and it boiled down to Pell's word against the remaining victim's. You may recall that in the early 2000's a retired judge heard a similar complaint about Pell and ended up coming down in Pell's favour, though he found Pell's victim a credible witness. 

And, for what it's worth, I know people in the medical profession who know some of the policemen involved in the investigation. They don't divulge much but they have certified that the legal case was not 'bad' in any sense: Pell could simply hire better lawyers. And, as they  say in the classics, this is where our Legal System fails and why most people who are the victims of sexual crimes don't report.

Sorry to be pedantic Dieter but you continually make assertions without evidence or based on hearsay ie "a mate told a mate told an acquaintence".

Nobody likes Pell & he is clearly a grub but to say he got off simply because he could afford better lawyers is cr@p unless u provide some evidence.

The prosecutors in the case had excellent, high profile SC lawyers yet the High Court decision to allow the appeal was unanimous 7 zit.

Evidence not assertions please.

38 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Not disputing any of that Biff. 
but i worked with a few Cameramen who started their careers in Ballarat 

They had stories to tell about George, and he got away with all of them. It disgusts me that he was able to fly back to The Vatican during Lockdown last year. 

A shame you didn't pass your anecdote on to the High Court. They would've tossed out his appeal & he'd still be in jail.

1 hour ago, dieter said:

Nah. Just had the funds available to hire the most notorious practitioners of the art of sophistry in Australia. The law as practiced in our English speaking 'civilisations' is ruled by the rich. And the so-called Law when it comes to sexual assault means in essence that the victim has to prove he or she is not guilty. 

Fair enough - maybe just revert to the lynch mob.  No doubt you & your pitchfork would be in the front row.

9 hours ago, dieter said:

The whole system - as has been highlighted by the drama in Canberra - is corrupt and stacked in favour of the perpetrators of these horrific crimes. Not much has changed: Pell was able to buy his freedom, for example.

Pell bribed the High Court did he ?