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If Cloke has signed with Collingwood then we will need to see if we can source a forward elsewhere. Wonder who else is out there....Butcher? Darling? Another ruckman who wants to be a forward?

They wont bid, one team will take Grundy who is a ruck man, why would they risk losing out on a high end ruck-man for a grunt mid-fielder just to benefit other teams? its about benefiting themselves, not trying to block other clubs from doing specific things. The other team who has pick #1 we can just make a deal with them. if its GWS it can be with the 17yr olds, if its GC we can offer to trade picks 3 and 4 for there pick #1. Either way its win win

Dale Garlett at 2nd round pick wouldnt be bad either

I highly doubt GWS will be out to get us, its a professional sporting team with a bigger goal then screwing over the MFC for a bit of boo-ing. I do love a bit of conspiracy but this one is just a bit far fetched. I honestly don't think GWS and GC will bid. If you weigh up the pros and cons of the risk, it wouldn't be worth the risk unless you were happy to pass up on Whitfield for Viney.

Who cares if he will be a star as it doesn't effect us. And the 2011 premiership was won more by A grade players then a few select Stars, in future if you choose to dismiss someones opinion then at least provide some argument as to why rather then beat around the bush with simpleton comments

Saw this article http://www.melbournefc.com.au/tabid/7415/default.aspx?newsid=139801 and was wandering, if we do not get Cloke are there any other options for a tall forward we could recruit? Neeld does say we do better with 2 big forwards so who else is potentially out there for the taking? Does anyone know J Darlings current contract status? His initial 2 year contract would be ending this year wouldn't it?

Interesting trade scenario, can you explain this one a bit more? Keen to see how you came to the conclusion that this would be a good trade.

You know a thread has become pathetic when people become desperate enough to resort to using grammatical errors as a point of argument. Its great that you payed attention to grade 2 English classes, if AD saw your post he may even call it a "Stroke of Genius"

I dont understand what has changed here. Does this mean that teams who finish above us on the ladder can bid for Viney and still force us to use our first round pick on him?

Lets hope wines drops to our mid first rounder

you really think that they will risk losing Whitfield to pick up Bourke? To benefit every other team? I think the onus on recruitment is to be slightly more responsible then that...

Its what they are being touted as being. Actually being 17rs old makes them more valuable then the standard picks 1 & 2 as it will give them an extra year in the system. Imagine we got scully and trengove after they already had a year training with us when we picked them up. They would've been world ahead.

The difference between taking him could end up being whether or not we have pick 3 to trade for a 17 yr old The difference between having a Wayne Carey or Andrew McLeod at our club . Pretty big stakes

I would take Wellingham over Boak or Beams to be honest. He would be slightly cheaper and I think he offers a different dimension or style of play to what our crop currently have. Would mix it up a bit more I think

Firsts for everything I said it at a high level along with many other things in relation to Cameron and Patton and for some reason people chose to highlight one thing which has already been argued to death in other threads to dig deep and read into rather then continue talking about what this thread is actually about. I would rather more A players like Watts and Trengove then to trade them for a Cameron.

Firstly it was an opinion that a team of A grade players are more likely to win a premiership then a few stars and mediocre players and secondly i didnt want to go into to much detail into something which is not directly relevant to the thread and the fact that there is no chance of us getting Cameron or Patton, in future please dont try read into opinions to much in an attempt to derail the thread away from the point that its an idiotic idea to continue to ramble on about how good opposition players are when we have no hope in hell of getting them to melbourne. The simple point seems to be hurting your brain.

There seems to be a few threads going around with a lot of them turning into people giving input into what there end of year wish list is so i figure why not make a thread dedicated to it. If as expected we finish 16th, we will end up with draft picks 3, 4, 12 and a mid 20s pick. With those picks on hand, free agency, 17yr old draft and players to trade I wanted to see the best scenarios people could suggest for an all-round good package which is realistic and could fulfil the teams needs. Personally I think we should go for Cloke and pay the coin for him. He is a free agent so we will not need to give Collingwood anything. I also think Boak would fit in nicely, though due to Cloke our coin will be restricted so I will count him out (unless we can't get Cloke) My money is that GWS and GC will not take the risk which will benefit all other teams, especially the ones with picks directly after ours. (This is a wish-list so I am being positive on this one) After reading about the 17yr olds, I think they will be more valuable then people give credit for, remember these are the touted picks 1 and 2 of the 2013 draft, not just that but they will get an extra year of senior development before they begin playing which I think makes them more valuable then a standard pick 1 or 2. Also they say next years draft should almost be as strong as this years. Overall my wish-list package would be Cloke Hogan 17 yr old - (Pick 3 traded to GWS) Stringer (pick 4) Wines/Simpson (Pick 12) Viney (2nd rounder)

So troll please tell me me why explaining how someone reading into an opinion will de-rail the thread be a work of art?

If thats the case I guess it would mean you don't proof read your posts

The difference between pick 3 and pick 25 could be a choice in the 17 yr old draft. If as touted, we would be losing out on a Carey or a Mcleod

Deers is right, we dont need more run of the mill mid-fielders, we have plenty of these already. We need something a cut above this, and our best chance is to get this from the Draft. With our new regimes in place, I think we will develop players alot better then we have in the past.

im gonna say 2011, then its going to play out like this Someone else: Bartel was a star Me: he was good in the grand-final, he wasnt a star all year around Someone else: his a brownlow winner, what more do you want Me: Yes but he wasnt a star in the season that they actually won the grand final, it was more of an all round performance. Then it will turn into the difference between what peoples opinions of A Grades are, Stars, Super Stars, Elite players, ect ect and this thread will be de-railed in an argument about something which has been done to death. Just forget I said it.

teams have won premierships before without stars. That's all it simply meant.

Where did i say we would get him back after 2 years? your whole post is flawed as it is based on me saying something which i didn't. And I dont re-call having a scenario, in fact I said 'A million things can happen' and 'every possibility will be explored' Read properly before quoting in future or is that to hard to do?

What do you mean 'Dont you get it?' I am the one saying its not feasible yet you continue to spruik them.