Undeeterred

Here

7 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

You assume in all this that Jackson had made his mind up prior to last year's trade period that he wanted to go home.

How do you know that? He was barely 20 years old last year's trade period. It's not exactly incredulous to think that he might not have known what he wanted to do at that age.

So long as he hadn't told us he had already made his mind up, we were always going to back ourselves in to convince him to stay. Who knows how likely or unlikely it was 12 months ago that he might have committed to a longer contract.

Also, how do you know he never had discussions with West Coast?

His manager was quoted in the press in the last week or two as saying Freo knew he was going to request a trade from about a week after last year’s grand final. The whole thing is ludicrous - he could easily have told us earlier. 

On 9/21/2022 at 2:30 PM, CYB said:

I hear you but if this was a trial for rape or paedophilia, you would need much more than witness statement to persecute the perpetrator. From what I read there doesn’t seem to be any factual evidence to support these allegations. It is circumstantial as I can find many holes in the information that has been presented and the way it has been presented. 

My frustration is probably misplaced - as i do hope the truth comes out and justice prevails. I have a mistrust in all things media as they are inherently conflicted in their duties these days to sell papers and I find it just way too coincidental that they decide to release this report on the eve of the GF. 
 

That first statement is just flat out incorrect. 

You mean apart from Lever, May, Langdon, Hibberd, Melksham, Brown and Dunstan?

That’s 6 out of our last match 22 and one of the next in line who have to come to us from other clubs. 

And 4 players (Oliver, Trac, Viney and Brayshaw) have signed ultra long deals in the face of serious bids from elsewhere in the last three years.

Bit of a stretch to say nobody wants to play for us. 

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

They can split that pick with another club. It’s not all over. It’s barely even started. 

Of course

The reporting doesn’t sound like that’s what they are up for doing, although of course that’s possibly just an early negotiating position. But if they start with 20 and something else, we’d be mad to cop that. 

15 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Richardson on the news said we will want to replace both talent and position. Indicates Grundy? 

I think after the Coaches and Richardson review the season (including a brief by the Recruiting and List management) they will know what they want.

It is pretty obvious that we need a ruck replacement. Either Grundy, or another via trade.

Looks like a shootout between Freo and WCE which is good for us.. Two top 10's or equivalent would be good. One for the Mags and one for us.

Cadman looks good but there are a few talented KP's in the draft that could also be ok.

 

If we managed to stooge two top 10 picks then gave up one for Grundy I’d just about cry.

Well WCE can F off if they’re not coughing up pick 2!

4 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Who's your answer then? An untried kid who's been inconsistent even at Casey (but hopefully will be great in the longer term) or Mitch Brown? 

We had 22 shots on goal (more than them), not counting a few OOB on the full which were aimed in the general direction of the goals -  that should be enough to win a game of footy.

Not saying we don't need to look at what's going on with the forward line, but you can't lose your main tall forward/CHF and that not have consequences.

We’ve had since May to think of something, to be fair 

Not even shocked. 

2 hours ago, Paulo said:

I wouldn't think there will be many list spots open for next year, we still have to open up 3 just for the draft so apart from Grundy  🤷‍♂️ , I wouldn't count on any more players being traded in 

You’d think Tomlinson Bedford and Chandler are all a chance of walking and that’s just for starters 

58 minutes ago, MoeSyzlak said:

Agree. Weid is a pea heart no way should we bring him in for a final. 

Disregarding that time when he was best on ground in one of course

4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Max Gawn is not and never will be a forward. I hate this experiment with a passion. Almost as much as I hate Gus in the guts when he is clearly a far better player on a wing or at half back.

Are we just buckling to his demands to play inside? Because honestly it’s made us worse. 
Harmes needs to go back inside to play a defensive role. Gus to the wing to replace JJ. 
And please FFS we have to find a better option than Fumbles Bullen. He kills us with ball use. Play Bowey in that role. Can’t do worse. 

All of this. 100%

Bad timing for an article like that

3 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

Whatever this new inboard kick is from the 50m defensive arc needs to stop. Both Gawn and May cost us 4 goals from it.

It doesn’t open the game up and it hurts too much on the rebound. Kick it long or only explore this as an option when you’re two kicks from defensive goal.

New, and really poor strategy.

At least May is a decent kick and would usually make it. But why Maxy is trying to hit that kick is absolutely beyond me 

3 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Steven May is a star. That was an absolutely thorough towelling, the only way Franklin could get in to the game at all was when he flopped, twice. 

He and Oliver were immense.

He really was. One of only a handful who stood out.

The inboard kick to Hunt who was 1 on 3 really cost us though - it feels like we keep asking them to be bolder but when they are, there’s too much of that sort of stuff costing us goals. 

4 minutes ago, Webber said:

Tonight we were horribly schooled by our betters. The Swans own us, as do Collingwood, and in fact Geelong. They are the 3 best teams in the 4. This idea that our ‘best’ is the best in the AFL is errant nonsense when it can’t be sustained to win games over 4 quarters. To their credit, the Swans exposed that brutally tonight.

I don’t think it’s fair to say Geelong own us given that two of the last three times we’ve beaten them, once by 80 odd in a prelim 

3 minutes ago, loges said:

Yes May shouldn't have gotten sucked in but neither should have the umpire. Thought umpiring was a bit on the ordinary side tonight.

It was a shocker. But May could have said hey Buddy, I’ve had about 16 intercept marks on you, get a kick 

The momentum turned massively when Buddy flopped like he’d been shot. 
 

He got into May because he hadn’t had a touch and May fell for it. Because he’s May

Quite possibly the best thing to ever happen. Hilarious

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Treloar AND picks 26, 32 and 44

were traded for 

pick 14, and a future 2nd (pick 38)

The very flawed pick calculator values Treloar as a negative in that deal! 

Grundy on a 4 year 500k deal is an asset worth close to a late first or early second IMO. Preuss even got a 2nd. Grundy on a 5 year 700k deal is worth ‘thanks for taking him off our books, maybe chuck us a pick to save face’

But he was a negative, that’s the whole point. 

15 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

If you want to stalk him, he eats at the 'Milkbar' in acland st St Kilda pretty regularly. Along with Paul Roos and Dusty.(seperate tables but they talk shop).

Should call it the Melkbar

19 minutes ago, Webber said:

That wasn’t luck CBF. It was superb judgment and nerves of steel against 3 opposing spoilers. One of the best contested marks you’ll see. 

Other than the other one he took falling on his [censored].

What a game Jakey boy

25 minutes ago, Mincho Mania said:

If Joel Smith has a decent game tomorrow get him in

I can see Spargs or ANB getting the bullet for someone, may as well be another borderline player with no awareness or game sense 

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The 1 key forward set up simply doesn't work. Why we have continued to run with this set up is mind boggling.

What’s your proposal?

1 minute ago, Undeeterred said:

No, it looks like one basically [censored] team and one very good horribly out of form team thrashing around playing footy on a beach in thongs 

With one team pretending it’s ruckmen are key forwards and watching them spray easy shots all over the place because the only fit actual key forward it has can’t get within 10 metres of the ball when he’s brought up from the twos