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The media & coaches voted the same way

Well I'm certainly not blaming the umpires and I never have and never will But there is a better way to judge the best players A panel of ex players who played in a variety of positions awarding votes to players in various positions But it will never happen as the AFL aren't a progressive organisation. It's all about the $$$$

The Brownlow needs a total revamp to be credible but I'd argue that overhaul should have happened close on a century ago (The Bob Pratt example being a standout misnomer) We have the AA team to recognise all the positions but the Brownlow can only be won by a midfielder (these days) How do you add an arbitrary degree of difficulty factor? Ditch the umpires and appoint a panel of judges (made up of ex players only) who all played in a variety of positions? Might work but I can't see the AFL changing anything anyway The coaches award was won by Nick Daicos who not only never has a direct opponent, but he doesn't even have an opposite number. He plays as a loose man wherever he chooses to wander And that's the coaches awarding the votes

Forwards & Backs have been ignored for decades now The term 'Midfielders medal' started at least 30 years ago but way back in the 70's many would complain that key forwards (especially) and Backs just didn't poll well enough Star Key backs like Scarlett for instance, rarely pick up any votes at all And it's not just the umpires either. The media, coaches etc all award votes in the same way Of course, in a general sense, midfielders stand out as they don't have direct opponents nor are they ever tagged Meanwhile, a player like Hogan is often double or triple teamed whenever he goes near the ball Excluding finals, Bob Pratt in 1934 kicked 138 goals in an 18 round season and received the paltry amount of 13 Brownlow votes So not much has changed

Bills 3 possessions, 3 TD's Switching to the Bengals/Wash match

2 games tomorrow and they overlap for the most part. An hour & a half gap works better than 45 minutes NFL scheduling can be a bit questionable at times 9.30am Jags @ Bills 10.15am Commanders @ Bengals

Another week of upset wins with 8 road winners saluting! Probably the biggest upset was a banged up Rams winning But the Vikings, Broncos, Giants, Packers, Panthers all won starting as outsiders Probably the most impressive win was the Vikings. Sam Darnald with another standout performance. What a turnaround! Minnesota are at Lambeau next Sunday with Jordan Love expected to suit-up for the Packers. On paper at least, a big clash within the division

DemonDave is streaking ahead in the tipping comp after being the sole 3 point winner again, this week! But it's a long season and we play for double points in weeks 5, 9, 13, 17 & 18 So it's possible to pick up 8 points in any of those bonus weeks Leaderboard Tipping Comp (points awarded this week in brackets) 11 - DemonDave (3+1) 5 - Go the Biff (1), DeeSpencer (1), layzie (1), Macca (1) 3 - BDA (1), Dr. Gonzo (1), JV7 (1), titan_uranus (1) 2 - Gorgoroth (0), Clintosaurus (0), Dee Zephyr (0) 1 - ElDiablo14 (0)

Tips @DeeSpencer 7Mate Games tomorrow 3.00am Houston @ Minnesota 6.25am 49ers @ Rams Followed by the Armchair Experts (with Ben Graham)

Lions, 49ers, Chiefs

Do they still do the GF parade and if so, will any of the players partake? And there are any number of Fitzroy/Brisbane and South/ Sydney supporters based in Melbourne Doesn't necessarily show up in memberships as neither team plays a lot of games in Melbourne (consistently) By the way, they should do But the Swans & Lions supporters are often out in force when they play at the MCG. Especially against the Demons Holding on to a large element of supporters based in Melbourne seems a no-brainer. It's easy money and keeps everyone happy

City of Casey 365,000 and getting bigger by the day You have to wonder if we're tapping in to the huge numbers out there Free memberships to the kids? Let's face it, we're out there even after the Caulfield training base gets built (and that won't be until at least 2028 if it goes ahead) In the meantime, the club needs to embrace the locals and get them on board

Not sure what all that was about but here's the real thing in 1909 (pre 'Talkies')

Demonland stood up well in this poll Over 64% had Sydney or Brisbane winning the flag Although, we did have Freo as next best with 12.82%!!

And North Melbourne lost their first 4 games in 1975 and then won their first flag that same year Has there been a team with a worse start win the flag? And how about the team that lost their last 9 home & away games but still went on to win the premiership!!

You're not telling me anything I don't already know They'll just slash further and buy cheap products that the masses want to watch. And that includes the AFL & NRL even though it seems like a lot of money In a general sense the masses decide

Fair enough but that also means that FTA is somewhat saved by the anti-siphoning laws So it's business as usual except the FTA networks need to find ways to operate profitably Slashing staff numbers for starters. Investing less in local drama etc etc. Not great news but business is business

Ha ha This thread is usually 90% about the umpiring!!! Don't worry, you'll get your chance to vent soon enough!

So do the anti-siphoning laws save the TV networks?

I don't disagree but footy & rugby league is not going 100% cable or streaming in a hurry You talk as if all the commercial networks will fold within months Not going to happen despite all your doom & gloom. For instance, the current AFL broadcast deal extends to 2030. And that includes 4 FTA games per week plus all the finals. Same deal for the NRL

I'm not convinced that advertisers aren't paying a premium for Friday & Saturday evening NRL & AFL Sunday 3.20pm looks like it's being phased out but again, that can be related to the advertising dollar

The most watched show/event in 2023 on FTA was the Women's world cup Semi final between the Matilda's & England 7.32Million!! I hear all the doom & gloom but FTA just needs to adjust to survive. In the meantime, the NRL, AFL, Test cricket, Big Bash, Horse Racing etc etc are all still on TV, free of charge

I thought what fell through was that Paramount wanted all the games with none being shown on Ch10

Aren't most of the games broadcast on Thursday, Friday & Saturday evenings? And isn't that all prime time? Same deal for the NRL As for ratings, the AFL & the NRL get huge numbers watching on FTA

Yeah, fair enough 1 in 2 households have cable? And around 70% have some sort of streaming or cable But I've also read that more than 80% of Australians still watch free-to-air TV So there's a lot doing both The one advantage that Ch9 & Ch7 have is that they know that the NRL & the AFL won't go all-in away from FTA Not for the time being anyway Before the last deal it was rumoured that the AFL could have picked up a princely sum from Paramount but they would have had to go all-in with Paramount. Amazon the same? Go Lions!