Macca

I went to a number of Bushranger games (before the instigation of the big bash) and whilst I enjoyed the games back then, I lost a bit of interest because I was trying too take the games too seriously. Now, I just have the games on without watching it too intently. Most people I know watch the games for the same type of reason. Strangely enough, I watch the tennis and the footy in a similar way (apart from demon games) When I want to watch sport in a serious way, I will. t20 cricket appeals to the holiday crowd - it's a bit of fun and it's harmless. It's certainly not going to be the ruination of test cricket. In fact, the crossover of players and spectators helps the sport on an overall basis. What I find to be fascinating is how a new sport like this can take hold of the public's interest. The positive is that the public get to have a look at our players who aren't in the test side - albeit at breakneck speed

I'm kinda liking seeing all these old timers doing well in this frenetic form of the game - in some ways it doesn't make sense but of course, class is permanent. Kallis was great to watch tonight I'm thinking that this version of the game is terrific for those summer nights. Light entertainment at it's best. Not to be taken too seriously - that's the whole key.

Yeah, well ... in Warne's first 2 series he took a total of 4 wickets for 386. We should have turfed Shane out there and then ... well, those without any patience might have. Your view on Lee is a popular one but it's not one I share - our best bowlers can't all be DK Lillee/McGrath like. I watched Lee live and in my opinion he was a top player. Contrarily, I sometimes feel for the best batsmen whose average is often compared to Bradman's. It's unfair because the Don was right out there on his own. By the way, even Bradman had a poor series or 2 (by his own standards) The bit I've highlighted can't be underestimated. He was better than just being a genuine quick anyway. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one TD - I don't believe that there were too many batsmen around the world who relished facing him for that 6-7 year period. He softened them up nicely for McGrath, Gillespie, Warne et al. I'd agree that he's certainly not an all time great but that's not what I'm arguing. My argument would be somewhat similar for McDermott (another player who gets unfairly maligned because he wasn't "great") Warne was a miles better bowler than his average indicates too - averages aren't everything. Aggregates are often a better indication - not always, but 708 wickets is 708 wickets (Warne's bowling average was 25.41) Re Stoinis ... hadn't realised that he also bowls a bit of medium pace - don't know much about him but I find it interesting that he's made his way to Victoria after making his debut for WA (when he was just 19) Bats in the top 3 as well ... one to watch?

I somewhat agree with you re Ahmed but Lyon has done too well to be rested or dropped. Boyce, Muirhead and a couple of others have merit as well but we don't often pick 2 front line spinners at home these days. I see Agar as more of an all rounder right now - not a great one but who is great? Mitch Marsh would almost certainly be playing if he was fit but would we have Watson in the same team as well? I honestly believe the selectors are looking at improving the depth of our bowling within the side ... we'll get an indication of that if Agar does play in the match. My guess is that he may not play ... but, if he does play then Burns will probably make way. That might seem harsh but I'm thinking it's just for this particular test. Also, we've got a world cup coming up and then we go to the West Indies where the wickets have more recently offered a bit for the spinners. Agar could bat in the Sydney test behind Haddin in that scenario (no.7) It might also be Watson who makes way but we're in a bit of a bind with the no.3 batting spot. Burns or Marsh could bat in that spot but they do seem to want to persevere with Watson at 3. My "speculative" eleven ... Rogers Warner Watson Smith S Marsh Haddin Agar Johnson Harris Lyon Hazlewood In an ideal world I'd rest Johnson & Harris (Starc & Siddle are both in the squad so at least one of Johnson or Harris might be rested)

It's a speculative pick Smithy ... treat is as such and the merit can be seen. We've done so in the past with spectacular results ... Warne, Border and S Waugh hadn't done very much at all before they were picked for Australia ... now, I'm not for a minute putting Agar in the same category of those 3 players but I can't see what the issue is. This "banging down the door" stuff is pure rubbish if we were to completely analyse the way our players have advanced to the test side throughout history ... I even heard Border say it the other day. Honestly, when Border was first picked it was Allan who? Our memory plays tricks with us. Even Bradman hadn't done a great deal before he first got picked ... so much so that he batted at no.7 in his first test and then was promptly dropped ... if they knew he was going to average 99.94 throughout his career then why bat him so low and why drop him after 1 test? The truth is that he was a speculative pick (like most of our other greats have been) We shouldn't be at all concerned about giving some of our young blokes a go (especially in a dead rubber) If we took the same attitude in footy then when would the stars be first picked? When they're 25? Greg Chappell said it best ... "You learn how to play test cricket by playing test cricket" ... Chappell would know.

I reckon even AB would be still surprised at his match figures in this particular match ... Australia vs West Indies 4th Test 1988/89 ... not too shabby for a left arm trundler! (7/46 in the first dig) We touched on it the other day about the drop-in wickets ... the SCG wicket was often renowned as a "turner" but it's not looked upon in the same way these days ... in that particular game (above) we picked 4 front line bowlers (including 2 spinners) and 2 of our batsmen were players who often bowled in our games (S Waugh & Border) The other thing to consider is that the bowling of Warner & Smith hasn't really come on.

Lee was an absolute gun in his prime ... his ability to bowl express pace was underrated. The opposition would have had him on their minds constantly - a genuine fear factor. Like most genuinely quick bowlers he created wickets at the other end. He also did happen to pick up 300 odd wickets himself ... I've never understood why many didn't rate him highly - his critics couldn't see the intangibles that Lee brought to the sport. I suspect that's the main reason he gets marked down. We've nearly always had half decent 5th and 6th bowlers ... not genuine all rounder types but Steve and Mark Waugh were more than handy ... Greg Chappell, Border and various others could more than play their role as back-up bowlers. Agar has just turned 21 - he should be judged in 3-4 years time when he's had a lot more exposure. Right now, he's a young up and comer who is more a batsman than a bowler ... he's got plenty of time to develop all areas of his game. I like the selection. It's not often the selectors get a chance to invest in the future with a speculative pick. Now is the time ... I might also add that we'll have that same opportunity when we go to the West Indies in May/June next year.

They'll be looking at Agar's all round ability ... the 5th bowler who can bat at no.6 or no.7 Currently it's Watson but he bats at no.3 ... would be Mitch Marsh but he's injured. Other candidates are Faulkner & Maxwell. We need a 5th bowler because our front 4 aren't Lee, McGrath, Gillespie & Warne ... Lyon can be got at and our quicks have had their injury issues (including the odd quick breaking down in a game) Agar shouldn't necessarily be looked at as the 2nd spinner - more like the back-up spinner/5th bowler.

Playoff Schedule ... it looks like all the playoff games will be shown live on 7mate & ESPN Sunday Jan 4 8.25am Arizona (5) @ Carolina (4) 12.15pm Baltimore (6) @ Pittsburgh (3) Monday Jan 5 5.00am Cincinnati (5) @ Indianapolis (4) 8.30am Detroit (6) @ Dallas (3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday Jan 11 8.30am Indi/Cin/Balt @ New England 12.15pm Car/Ari/Det @ Seattle Monday Jan 12 5.00am Dal/Car/Ari @ Green Bay 8.30am Pit/Indi/Cin @ Denver

Arizona 17 Carolina 24 ... Cam Newton to be the difference Baltimore 20 Pittsburgh 23 ... the Steelers, just. Cincinnati 23 Indianapolis 32 ... the Colts should win. Detroit 27 Dallas 28 ... I'm tipping a late interception could decide this one. What are the chances that all the "road" teams get up?

Ashton Agar has been added to the squad for the Sydney Test If he was to come into the side where does he bat and who makes way? We've won the series so I hope Agar plays so we can have another look at him. Apparently his selection rests with how the SCG might play ... Agar recalled to the Australian Test squad Edit: Dhoni has retired from Test cricket - effective immediately ... Kohli to captain in Sydney?

You've got to feel for the bloke ... in the previous over it looked like he'd got the message that we were declaring shortly. Then Hazlewood comes out to bat? Anyway, with the declaration we can probably set attacking fields for as long as we need to - India have to go for it but will they? They'd have to score 384 in 70 overs. Big ask. Edit: 70 overs minimum

... and for those wanting a "result" the best thing to happen would be for Australia to be bowled out. Personally, I'd like to see Marsh get his century ... after that, I'm not fussed.

I doubt we'll declare anytime soon for a number of reasons ... The match is almost certainly destined to be a draw If so, we will have won back the Border-Gavaskar trophy Our bowlers get to rest up until Sydney (we've played 15 days out of 22 in this series so far) Their bowlers on the other hand won't get that same opportunity to rest up Shaun Marsh will get a chance to get himself a century You never give a sucker an even break We may well declare but Smith will know that the game can be called off early if both captains agree to call the game off early. The next test doesn't start until next Tuesday but even so, why would we risk bowling Johnson & Harris if there's no real chance of a win? If we're happy to take a 2 nil lead to Sydney then we'll probably bat on until they bowl us out. If the declaration comes it probably wouldn't come before Marsh (hopefully) achieves his century.

Regular Season Tipping Competition Year Winner Runners up 3rd place 2013 cowboy_from_hell/ pantaloons/ Gorgoroth Strafford Macca 2014 Dappa Dan Georgiou R.R Martin Gorgoroth Post Season Tipping Competition Year Winner Runners up 3rd place 2013 titan_uranus DemonDave cowboy_from_hell/ Macca 2014 ???????? ???????? ?????????

It's a fairly easy thing to run JV7 ... you and GtB were the frontrunners for a long time there but as you both found out, getting points late in the season is really tough. I have to admire the perseverance skills of the participants though - being Demon supporters steels us that way hey? We're well used to the odd setback! Dappa picked up points in 6 different weeks I believe so he was a fully deserved winner. I'll run things by everyone before the start of next season but I thought we could add 1 or 2 more "bonus" weeks and the other idea I had was we could add in our own version of "wild-cards" - each participant has 2 or 3 to use anytime and the "wild-cards" act as extra point if you tip all 3 winners in any given week. Bad luck with your blokes today ... I haven't taken a lot of notice of the Falcons this year but at least you've got a decent QB. Probably just need to get a lot better in other areas. As for the Packers, we'll need a decent slice of luck and a fit Rodgers ... I'm hoping that Detroit beat Dallas as I give them a chance of possibly upsetting the Seahawks in week 2 of the playoffs. Seattle look just as hungry though and they'll be hard to beat.

Me too ... I'm left wondering why we haven't got a trophy to play for when we play South Africa. It's one of the biggest rivalries in world cricket - we should play them more often too (4 tests minimum)

I'm in Dappa as long as I don't have to think too much about it .. ha ha Last year we even had a playoff tipping comp ... titan won it From memory we had a go at tipping the winners of all the playoff games (just straight winners) with a point awarded for every winner and 3 points for the SB winner. We did it week by week. pantaloons set the trend with having a go at the actual scorelines as well ... I'm happy to keep tabs on the points again and it gives a 2nd chance for those who missed out on regular season comp.

lol ... when did t20 ever "have" you? The sport has only been around 5 minutes. Anyway, I reckon Smith will take the conservative route tomorrow if our batsmen can last that long ... we bat for an hour? Maybe longer if the target figure of 400 is on his mind. He wouldn't want to lose his 2nd game as captain as besides all that, the 'Border-Gavaskar' trophy is on the line ... that trophy may not mean a lot to the general public but it will do to the players and CA.

I thought that was the "one day cricket" glide? :-) I guess we've got to get a t20 reference in somehow!

India have had their chances right throughout this series. I wonder whether they'll take their chance this time?

Playoff Schedule ... it looks like all the playoff games will be shown live on 7mate & ESPN Sunday Jan 4 8.25am Arizona (5) @ Carolina (4) 12.15pm Baltimore (6) @ Pittsburgh (3) Monday Jan 5 5.00am Cincinnati (5) @ Indianapolis (4) 8.30am Detroit (6) @ Dallas (3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday Jan 11 8.30am Indi/Cin/Balt @ New England 12.15pm Car/Ari/Det @ Seattle Monday Jan 12 5.00am Dal/Car/Ari @ Green Bay 8.30am Pit/Indi/Cin @ Denver

Rodgers came back on and though he looked a little restricted, he ended up doing quite well ... a cloud remains over that calf of his however so we'll have to wait and see. It looks like Carolina (the 4 seed) will host the Cardinals (5) whilst Detroit (6) will visit Dallas (3) and ... the lowest seeded winner of those 2 games will then go to Seattle in week 2 - unless Detroit can upset Dallas then that team will be Carolina or Arizona (otherwise, if Detroit win next week, the Lions will go to Seattle) I agree though, it's all set up for the Seahawks if we're being brutally honest. In the AFC it's all set up for the Patriots but their home field advantage isn't as strong as Seattle's. There's always upsets and a team or 2 can still get hot at the right time. If I had to pick a team from each conference to get hot it would be Dallas & Pittsburgh. If Flacco can find his range then the Ravens could surprise - a lot is going to have to be on him though. I'm obviously hoping the Packers can do well but Rodgers will need to be ready to go if we're to have any chance.

... and Rodgers has made a miraculous recovery There's no truth in the rumour that the Packers have a supply of Dank's "calf" blood

Rodgers down and possibly out Could be season over despite making the playoffs ugh