Demon Dynasty

I was hoping Gazza might shed some light on this after his review. At least that's what he mooted shortly after his appointment. My worry is that his review will also be buried in due course with a lot of spin being spun by those who have the most to lose. Heisn't planning to stay long so all the board has to do is hold out till Garry's review, and any scrutiny of it, is over. If the press push hard enough and for some reason Gazza doesn't release something himself (with the authority of the board), the board might release some sort of short form summary to the media and members, highlighting mostly positives and a few selective (but not knock out blow) negatives. Low and behold everything's honky dory and back to the way it was before Gazza. Having said that, this is only one scenario of course and i'm just pontificating and ranting. Lets face it, i have absolutely no idea what might happen

+1 on this I also don't think he'll come across. Although prior to our dark Saturday meltdown at Kardinia, i think our chances might have been somewhat better, having been able to offer a more settled administration without all the perceived (or maybe real) shyte hitting the fan. I also think that our off field problems will make it hard to snare any of the main contenders now, unless we up the $$ stakes on offer. Which may well be the case from what's being speculated on in the media. Then again, this is the footy media that's speculating. No self interest there of course

I wouldn't mind if it was the FD saying something like...."well it's the last role of the dice in our opinion for Cale, lets see what he's got in these last 4 games (including West Coast last week)". Unfortunately, the next 3 are against teams lower than us on the ladder, and two of them on the bottom. Not really a true test for anyone in this team, let alone someone who needs to be well scrutinised prior to the draft. And the big worry for me is he just might be let off the leash a little by weaker opponents in these last 3 and "show something". The sadder part of that would be the FD getting suckered in lol. FWIW I think the true showing for him was the season prior to this week, including the West Coast game where for all but about 15 minutes of the game, he showed little to convince me he's turning things around. We had one of our easiest/better draws for quite some time too this year and he failed more often than not to make the grade. He wasn't alone. But your post is about Cale.

I wouldn't even bother with Lethal. He was asked just after the sacking shinanigans and he just laughed and said "No no no". That was the Channel 7 Footy Show on the Sunday afterwards. Then on 3aw about a week later, he was asked again about the vacant position and he said "you'd have to be an imbecile to take that up given the mess off the field at the moment. They would need to sort that first which will take some time" or something very close to those words. Definitely used the word imbecile though lol.

Good case there Wolf. Pretty convincing CV and references. Although i'd like to hear what Bomber has to say about him given how closely and how long they worked together. Anybody know Bomber on here lol? Not that anything we post here makes a difference i realise. I just found this article on him which you've probably already seen. It's got some of those references from Bomber and Harley you were referring to etc. Looks like a fair candidate, although he has no VFL/AFL playing history which could make it a hard sell as Head Coach...... McCartney Age Article

Until his position is settled at the Pies, i'd say he's still a slim possibility. Eddie will no doubt try his hardest to prevent it. In his words "we aint gonna let 10 years experience and $20 million invested, just walk out the door". Reading between the lines, Eddie doesn't want any other club taking Malthouse under their wing and having him go up against Buckley, at least in the first year or two i'd say. So Eddie's probably prepared to pay a very handsome Director of Coaching figure in order to insure this it would seem. Might be hard for Mick to refuse that if the work load isn't too crazy. In addition, Mick made it pretty clear on the footy show that he wouldn't mind a break from the coaching scene. However, he didn't say that would be as Director of coaching at the Filth. Maybe just a year out of the game entirely. 27 years in the coaching caper is a mighty long time. Can't blame him eh. Best bet for mine is Mick becomes available for a 2013 coaching job...if it fits his personal situation and footy criteria/expectations i guess. Oh and the $$/contract terms are attractive of course.

Good point. Although i'd think you might have an interesting discussion with the Cats and Hawks as to their credentials as well. Albeit with somewhat lessor resources maybe. I'd love to grab Neeld too for these reasons, but not as coach. Assistant would be nice.

Of course it's the VFL. And many against the Fev argue that Fev is taking another younger potential talent's place. But my point on including Bate was that it's not just Fev doing this. I don't feel Bate is up to it anywhere forward of center anymore either (and maybe no where else). But he's still there kicking a few goals and taking up someone else's space as others would say. Point being there's always going to be the odd player or 2 (or more) in this club and any club that peeps will say.. "Oooo.....he shouldn't be at this club or in the magoos, he's stifling another younger talent from getting experience" etc. Every club has had this supposed problem for decades and will continue to do so for as long as there's players who don't quite make the grade and get sent back for another chance at showing some form. And there's always going to be someone. So build a bridge gang. In defence of Bate (and it's not a strong defence as personally i think he's gawn), at least he's doing something down there. More than i can say we got from Sylvia and Davey when they had a stint....yet back in the seniors they went....the very next week. Fev hasn't done anything for 2 years agreed. So he's on a downer. That's his own fault, not ours. Doesn't mean he cant reproduce form though. It's been done before. That's why we don't just let him walk in on any contract. Short and performance based only. This club is full of ghosts, skeletons and cancers and has been for decades. That's why we get the occasional melt down like we saw a few weeks ago. Doesn't need Fev to instill that culture mate. It's already well and truly ingrained in every dark crivece and dusty corner. As a result of this long term cancer, we've got an outsider in Garry (as in wasn't employed by the MFC in any official capacity prior to taking on the consultancy) to try and flush it all out and sort it because as a club, we couldn't and failed. Well good luck with that Gazza. We're sure as hell gonna need it (with no Fev in sight!)

A minor point. He isn't 31 yet. He's 30. Turns 31 in January next year. If he's managed well.....who knows. Might play till 33 / 34. Robert Harvey played till 37. that's an extreme i know. But with today's scientific and fitness programs being so advanced and with a little luck on his side injury wise. Who knows. Spitting in Jmac's face? Mate, The Jmac issue walked out the door with Bailey. A new coach and his assistants etc will decide on the best mix of youth experience from here. And they certainly wont be worried in the least about past player's noses being outta joint if the right senior player is on offer, be it Fev or someone else ...maybe Pav! Maybe they'll get both, and we'll have a PEVLOVA combo forward line. Nor did Fev cause the 'youth policy' Jmac issue either. It would seem that from your side of the fence, It's almost like everything bad that did happen and is likely to happen at the MFC past present and future, is already, and would be the fault of Mr B Fevola.... were he to ever come near our precious club rooms and delicate forwards. Maybe you'd prefer we return to our former lovely name of Melbourne Fuschias to further instill the delicate nature of our boys. Hopefully they can then grow and bloom a little without such a nasty Fev weed around to constrict them! Stifling the development of Howe, Jurrah and Watts? Are you sure you aren't related to RR by any chance lol? How exactly would he do this were he to even get a contract at the MFC (something that is highly doubtful anyway)? Howe is getting plenty of opportunity right now and he certainly isn't of similar ilk or style of player in comparison to fev. That wont change if Fev happened to enter. Same goes for Air Jurrah (AJ), whom may i add is where at the moment? Yep, you guessed it, playing in the magoos (or the equivalent at Casey) with Fev as AJ was doing so well at developing in the seniors recently without Fev alongside him! Reality is AJ's isn't developing as the FD would have liked him to. Otherwise he wouldn't be there. This includes things that some peeps on here believe Fev wont be doing much of either, like not putting enough pressure on his opponents when he doesn't have the ball inside 50 (a deeflator for our young forwards you think?) and looking disinterested if things aren't going his way (a great example for our young developing forwards eh). AJ also loves to try and dribble the ball through the goals when it's completely unnecessary and he could just as well kick it straight through for a certain goal, instead of just 1 point at crucial times during a match (deemoralising our young developing forwards maybe?). Something i'm sure Fev would also do alot surely you think? Umm...well....no. Generally he's goal kicking is very effective. Hence all the Coleman medals. Many forget what Fev was like when he was starring. He had an excellent all round game both defensively and offensively for a while there. Sure it wasn't very consistent i'll admit. But the potential for it is there and when it is, believe me, his tackles will stick. As for Watts. Well Watts is playing 'bit part' roles in the forward line at the moment. And his bod just isn't ready to take the big hits on a full time basis as a key forward in a role similar to Fev. That and the fact that he's so versatile, an excellent ball user/link man, and that he's able to get to so many contests, makes him a prime candidate for Jack of all trades wherever the FD sees fit atm. And atm, a good percentage of that time is down back. He's probably 2 pre-seasons away at least from holding down or being able to compete in a key forward role full time. Which may well be the time that Fev departs, were he to be drafted, which again is 98% unlikely (at least by the MFC anyway). In addition.....Fev has a strong distast for the Filth, similar to us...... He also hits hard if you get in his way in a marking contest...but in a fair way ie., just going hard at the contest. Might be handy in taking out opposition loose men in defence, like Nick Maxwell......and low and behold....this might make things a tad easier for other smaller bodied forwards therafter, like Howe, Jurrah and Watts. In addition, by having Fev there and so dangerous to the opposition, they may well double team him. Again this frees up our younger brigade as a potential option when this happens. He also shows some sportsman like conduct at the end of this clip... Maybe his best days are behind him..... but gee he was awesome wasn't he.... an excitement machine and match winner on his day....and this was pre Judd and Kruezer cup days..... Fev Show vs The Bombres And boy, could he kick straight...and from any angle. Oh, he also kicks goals at grounds that we usually suck on, from any angles . Like deep in the pockets at footy park (ok so that's going). But seems to love Etihad too! Basically it doesn't matter. He's a goal scoring machine if he's in form and fit. He also chases, tackles, causes turnovers (forward press) and goals from them when he's fit and in form. And, if he's on, and we're getting the best out of our group even as they stand now, we can beat anyone on our day...how exciting would that be while our young rookies grow and develop. Wow, we start to develop a winning culture at the MFC a little earlier as a result...god forbid.... Yeah, i know, there's gonna be a heap of you clamoring to post your 20 or more "Fev's worst" in order to hit me over the head with many bad Fev examples. Fire away peeps. I've seen it. I know the ugly 'off field" side lol. Heyy i don't particularly like the guy in that regard. Like i said earlier....this is about hypothesizing and 'what ifs'. And in my case 'Subject to' a whole lot of things being done correctly from a management and contract side. Before i finish on this. And i mean finish. I don't wish to spend any more time on something that has a 2% or less chance of happening lol. You may want to check out the KC review of the match against Coburg. 1 match doesn't make a season or a player or a potential returning veteran/draftee....but it's worth a look just to see what's taking place. I've included a few excerpts. Oh, for those who hate Fev, or the thought of him coming anywhere near the MFC...look away now!! .... The Casey Scorpions missed out on the perfect opportunity to secure a top four position on Saturday when they capitulated for the second time this year against a more determined Coburg Tigers. The defeat came despite a strong performance by full forward Brendan Fevola who was in fine form with his marking, leading and kicking to finish with seven goals. Matthew Bate struck a purple patch with two goals within minutes to restore the lead. Bate had an opportunity to further extend the lead but the redhead's rushed snap from 15 metres missed everything and went out of bounds on the full. From this point onwards it was mainly all Coburg for the remainder of the term with Fevola the only Casey forward who looked like kicking goals. Fevola was always the danger man and he added two more goals to easily stamp himself as his team's best player.

Lol....and you are We already self imploded off the field and on this year....with absolutely no help from Fev. The Brands looking just great without him....oh yeah. Funniest post of seen in a while, but i knew it was coming.....

Yep, +1. At least Brad will teach the young boys how to be good upstanding young citizens off the field!! I don't care if he doesn't score much and help us win a few games....as long as we stay a nice club with nice boys playing a nice happy game

Good point, but like peeps keep saying it's only the VFL. You expect him to kick more with the quality or lack thereof he's got around him?? (generally i mean....not every player is of lessor quality in the VFL compared to AFL and i'm sure there's some players who are better in this league than their counterparts upstairs. But they would be few and far between in comparison). For everyone who says...."big deal, it's only the VFL", well you can't have it both ways. The quality of delivery and general footy is probably a leveler for anyone going in there. As would be the general atmosphere or lack thereof on many occasions. You wanna gimme some stats on other top AFL players (in particular key forwards...Pods excluded as he spent most of his career there) who've ended up there for one reason or other for more than a few weeks, kicking huge bags every other week? And anyway, it was 11 . How many you want him to kick in a lessor league to be happy? 15 ... 20 every other week? He kicked 7 against Coburg, yeah 3rd last, but it was in a losing side and he did make the best players. No these aren't necessarily a good indicator of his true form or likely form were he to move up a level, granted. But he's starting to show something. And, as others have said, he's a proven goal kicker at the highest level over many years, and a good deal of that prior to the machine man Judd came in to take the Blues to another level. We recalled Sylvia after one week down there and he did pretty much diddly squat in the VFL and followed up with same in the the seniors on Sunday. And, in one of his moments when he decided to contribute, he put in one of the most selfish plays i've seen when ignoring Dunn from the pocket and instead going for the glory goal. Wont get much more selfish/stupid than that from Fev i'd reckon. Fev aint the long term answer to our forward situation, but we sure aren't exactly killing them there atm. If it puts pressure on a Green/Jurrah/Dunn/Sylvia (a part time forward) etc AND he performs as asked without the antics under a rolling short term contract, i'm all for it (subject to my previous SUBJECT TO post up there). I tell you what else he does, he gives the boys who are inexperienced, and some of the more experienced as well down there....a little hope. They can now BOMB the ball like they tend to do so often and probably get a decent return with Howe, Fev & Petterd down there. Imagine the marking power fellas. Both in the air and in a one on one or pack dual. The opposition wouldn't know who to cover or how to with those kind of variations in style! Common demoniods (at least those who are against this)...fire up and wake up outta your slumber lol! You've been losing so long you're now accepting that everything's ok and will be. It's not. You gotta roll the dice sometimes. We need to explore all avenues in order to get that winning culture and help these boys on the road to success. They haven't tasted enough of it. And too much losing will ingrain itself on their Psyche. As often said by the greats, 80% of this game is played above the shoulders. It'll be extremely hard to reverse that 'losing feeling', no matter who or what you bring to this club if it goes on much longer. It's been 5 years now. That's half a decade, and we're coming into our 50 year anniversary without a premiership. It's time to get a bit more ruthless and adventurous. Way too conservative at this place right now supporter wise. No, FEV isn't the messiah to our long term forward line set up, and nor will he likely make our next GF team. But he just might help fill part of the puzzle in getting us there along the way.

Kicked 11 against Frankston a few weeks back..... and afterwards he was pretty gracious about it on Twitter.... "Thanks guys, great day out at Frankston, great win by the boys," Named in the best against Coburg on Sat in losing team. Kicked 7.

Had a quick glance through the posts on this thread and couldn't see any reference.....apologies in advance if i missed it guys. Excerpt from The Age , yesterday August 16th 2011.... THE economics of AFL clubs will change forever and dramatically following the AFL's commitment to force clubs to pay 100 per cent of money owed to footballers under the annual salary cap payments, this year set at $8.21m per club. AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou told The Australian yesterday that the league supported wholeheartedly a demand by the players' union, the AFLPA, that clubs be stopped from economising on payments to players so they could fund other football initiatives or pay off debt. The initiative is expected to be enshrined in the new collective bargaining agreement between the AFL and the players' union beginning next year..... 100% player payment article

Well i was havin an ok night.... until. Thanks for that BB

I did, i did.... and i did

Think i'll play this more often whilst reading/contributing on here Actually....maybe our new club theme song? Anyone?

So what you're saying is, all his bad days are behind him now and he's ready to get serious?

Without question....Adriana Lima..... Adriana for Banner!

Is this seriously possible? Aged Care list maybe?

Nothin wrong with online Holdem play mate....as long as you have disciplined bankroll management, lots of experience and you avoid sites that allow bots on em. I win in the long haul playing Holdem online. Awesome game at that. It's the horses/dogs/ and other casino games that kill ya B)

SUBJECT TO...... >> Meeting certain criteria pre season. A rolling short term contract with behavioral clauses. And a deal on the lower side $ wise but with performance incentive. >> The KPI side including a non-negotiable forward pressure aspect. Although not sure you can put this in a contract lol. However, If he brings this pressure side as well as a decent bag over the year, i'd be happy subject to the above being built in. The kids, as some refer to on here, as well as some of the seniors (McKenzie/Trengove/Jones/Moloney/Nicho etc) will also hopefully learn to deliver to and play with a real power forward. Hopefully in readiness for our next long term one post fev (which could be a matter of weeks away lol)....and a premiership shortly thereafter

Thanks mate. That's a good point. I still believe the biggest mistake we made during the later Danner years was trying for a repeat of 2000 (ie., a grand final ...but this time hopefully a premiership of course) by hanging on to basically the same team that took the field that day for as long as possible, give or take some marginal or forced changes along the way until Danners' retirement. I think he might've forgotten that we were 10 goals behind the best team on the day. This might suggest that some players on the day, just weren't up to it, and hence probably wouldn't be if we were to make it once more...just a thought. Dean probably saw the aging list as an issue as well, but then seems to have gone a little too boldly too soon with the broom to what was left when he arrived. We're now paying the price of the apparent 'steady as she goes' list management policy over many years through the 2000's IMO and Bailey's early boldness. Hopefully we've learned our lesson and will ensure that we never get so out of wack again when it comes to the mix of experience vs rookies in future. That's one reason why i'm reluctant to dump players like Bartram and Dunn for rookies, provided i see them fully committed to the cause, which they seem to be so far. Although they have serious flaws, they can still mix it a little on game day and stay in the contest when the heat is on. In addition they're only about 15 games away from breaking 100 games. Not easy to replace that sort of AFL bod/experience unless we secure some very sweet trades ie., not rookies. I'd hate to see more rookies running around on average next year instead of the 11/12/13 or so we had on most occasions this year. With all the ups and downs that came with about 12 in the team, an extra 2 or 3 rookies might result in a pretty ugly 2012

Firstly IMO in general we are in need of..... A TALL strong bodied key forward who can win the contested mark either on the hit up or when playing deep in a one on one around the goal square and can kick a goal from most positions within 50. Given the number of times our younger and more senior players bomb the ball in 'hail mary' style this is a must for me atm. Hopefully this changes as the execution skills improve and we transition a little quicker as well as doing the 1%ers around the ground, allowing ball carriers more time and poise to hit up the leading targets (Howe/Green/Watts? etc) more often. A strong TALL half back who can manage/body on body the likes of a Cloke/Roughead/Lynch/Tippet (Others like this.....who we are bound to face as the years progress) and who uses the ball wisely and has potential leadership qualities. More inside players (at least 2 or 3) who are solid through the body, fairly quick over the first 10 or so, but who also have QUICK ball use/reflexes, especially around the middle and stoppages around the ground. Many of our players around stoppages are just too slow/indecisive with their decision making/disposal (in particular handball) when compared to the top 6 teams, offering our opposition many opportunities to force the turnover and or force another stoppage where they eventually win out with players who are just better in these areas. Nicholson, Blease are 2 newbies who offer this potential, but aren't necessarily inside players although Blease might be once he's had a few more pre seasons. Haven't seen enough of him yet to see what he's offering up. Having said that i would like to see the club delist or trade the following...... Morton: 3rd year player, looks like a 1st year. Time waits for no one. We need bigger bodied hard nosed players like Tappy. Premiership windows don't stay open for long. Skinny boys who's skills/bods fall apart under sustained pressure/heat/physical contests, rarely assist in winning a premiership and i haven't noticed any change in him handling the heat on match day yet when it's applied. Nor have i seen any change in his body/physique yet that would suggest that's going to change either in the near term. On Sunday he looked like a 3 or 4 game raw boned rookie, and played like one for all but about 20 minutes once many others around him had already stepped up a gear after half time. I would have to see Robbie Flower type potential in him to change my mind. And i haven't seen anything remotely close to those skills yet. Davey: IMO he's damaged goods both physically and mentally now. He admitted to suffering from "Etiphobia" a few weeks ago. He demonstrated it in a big way IMO on Sunday. In fact he admitted to suffering from "Awayphobia" as well in the same interview. Which for him, is any game that isn't played at the G. I believe the younger indigenous boys and even some of the other young rookies would probably look up to him or have until recently. Seeing him leave would probably effect them in the short term i'm sure. We might even see a few follow. However, as far as our indigenous boys go, it's not like any of them have solidified their spot in the team with what they've dished up so far. So i'm more concerned with and looking to any new rookies who we bring in from here. I'd prefer they aren't scarred and end up catching the same phobias when they join. As Todd has already stated, this club needs a new "away" mindset...and that means a pretty big broom to those who aren't able to get their minds over playing away games. And i'm not saying Davey is alone here. He's just the only one who i've publicly heard state this so far. I'm sure there's others who will need to be asked openly and honestly if this is an issue going forward. Newton: As above, not sure why we relisted him. Spencer: Had a number of chances. Another tall skinny lad (ruckman). Sylvia: Looks disinterested and has gone backwards this year. Has never been a consistently solid player after many pre seasons and opportunities to show it. Doesn't lead by example often enough given his seniority. Provided we get a value option for him then this could be a nice win win for him and us. Warnock: Seen enough. Judgement through the air and footy smarts/skills IMO just aren't there. Maybe he needs half a dozen games in the seniors just to be sure though. Not that we can afford that luxury and we miss out on trading this year. Wanna: Uncommitted one trick pony. Very good at reading the ball off the pack and goal sneak though when he's fit and on. Maybe worth a pre-season just to see if he's going to build a real AFL bod/tank and get truly serious and commit to us as a small crumbing forward. Something we miss dearly at the club and have for years IMO. Hopefully they'll sus this out of him prior to offering him another year. Players i'm in 2 minds about...... Strauss Maric Evans Bate: Maybe one last try in a key defender role....Is about the same height as Tarrant and can roost the ball which might be real handy in breaking the press! Would need to turn things around big time pre-season though. Might be lost in defence though. Have we tried him down there before? I know he played off half back flank a few years ago from memory. But i'm talking FB or CHB maybe, depending on the match ups on the day. Jurrah: Needs to take a huge leap in work ethic (not just aerial speckys!) for me to believe he'll survive given the emphasis on all players needing to play their role in the forward press, along with the constant physical pressure coming the other way from his opponents now. Jetta: Worth one more year maybe. Gysberts: No tank and too skinny. Opponents just run him ragged, run off him and/or break his tackles like he isn't there atm. Needs 2 more pre-seasons at least. Grimes: Only because of his injury misfortune. Dunn: Needs to change into a more athletic player through the bod to survive i reckon, with a view to quickening him up over 20 - 30 meter sprints on the lead and to help when chasing. Leigh Brown had a significant change in his physique after joining the Pies and it's paid off after many years and a few clubs. Maybe Dunn is also capable of a similar 'sea change'. I also wouldn't like to lose him yet as he's one of the few players who has an AFL bod (weight wise), can hold the occasional mark, stick a bone crunching tackle and kick a goal from 50 or slightly more. He's also entertaining as he likes to niggle/sledge his opponent and does a few dumbass things from time to time such as the Chappy incident. I even saw him shape up to a West coast player on Sunday lol. Cracks me up sometimes. And yes i realise this is not a good reason to hang on to him. But in the end if we aren't winning, i like to at least be entertained a little...even if it means having a laugh at our expense. If i didn't, i would've gone crazy by now

Close being the operative word. IMO we are one pretty tall brutish player (who can play), from finishing off here. This is the type of player we need to allow Frawley to play on (and off) a slightly smaller opponent. Garland to cover the 2nd best taller opponent and Rivers across to the oppositions 3rd/4th key opponent. This might allow us to match up on teams who have a few brute forwards like the Pies/Cats and also take the odd pack splitting crucial mark at half back when the going gets tough. Haven't seen any of the other Casey boys to know if it's a potential there. In addition, what you see with Rivers is what you're going to get. He's better served when Frawley/Garland and Joel are about so he doesn't have to cover a better/bigger/taller forward where he often gets out bustled/played. Hence why the Pies were so happy to have him matched up on Cloke earlier this year and went out of their way to find that match up. Not Rivers fault though. Just lacking this extra tallish/brute backman as an option IMO.