Jaded No More

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You need to be careful using that sort of strategy, when you're already a club struggling to attract talent at the trade table. Especially given who Clarry is managed by. We are looking like a shambolic organisation. If we start burning our own, even after they leave, it will be yet another red flag.

Tomorrow's B&F will be juicier than a P Diddy indictment hearing.

This club seems to have stopped caring about selling itself to members back in 2022. They have treated the supporters with such a level of contempt, and a total lack of respect. Best culture in 40 years, says the man who is now flogging off a star player for some stale chips, to save our culture.

What is being reported is correct. Goody does not want Clarry traded. Whether you believe that or not, is your choice. Let's also remember that Hogan = pick 6 = May. It was a net win for the club, which is entirely different to what we will get back for Clarry. Goodwin is very happy to make the tough decisions, on that you are completely right. The fact he does not categorically want to move Clarry on, and if he did, there would not be a meeting today to discuss the trade, it would have been signed off already, and Richo would not have released a statement 48 hours ago saying Clarry is a required player, tells you that he doesn't think Clarry deserves the treatment Hogan and Watts did. Rightly or wrongly.

I wouldn't go looking for contract loopholes with Clarry, if you don't want Trac's 'team' popping out the bushes now.

Just because he wants it, doesn't mean it'll happen. Especially if Houston is saying no thanks I'm not coming to Melbourne.

So, what you're saying is, we are getting JUH for a future 1st? Cool.

You're going to struggle to sell me on the Grundy is as good as Clarry angle 😅 Clarry back to his best, is a club changer. He takes Geelong's midfield from a 3 to an 8. That doesn't mean he will get back to his best, but Grundy has never been this influential, and he certainly wasn't going to be a club changer to a club that had Max Gawn, just as he did nothing to help Sydney win a flag.

You might be right, but equally you don't know if the division over Clarry will continue. You have many in the club, including the coach and captain who want him to stay. If that decision is taken out of their hands, how will that impact other areas? Goody would be feeling almost untenable in his role, if the CEO/Board is telling him that they don't trust that he can get Oliver back on track. If we are to have a total reset, then it will take so much more than just removing the distraction around Clarry. Do you think Trac won't be a distraction next year? You think trading Clarry for a future 1st and watching Geelong win a flag is not going to be a distraction? You think Clarry is the only naughty boy at the club? The reality is that our issues run deeper than Clarry, and fans are impatient. They don't want to watch our window slammed shut, while clubs like Geelong continue to benefit off us. This club lost 10,000 members in 2024, off the back of 2 top 4 finishes, and a flag, because we had a mediocre season. Can this club survive trading the best player they've had in 20 years for a packet of chips, and finish bottom 4 in 2025? And will we be able to attract anyone of significant talent to this club, to fill the enormous gap Clarry leaves behind? As I said, you live and die by these decisions. This could make our club, or it could break it. Unfortunately I have such little faith in the people who run this club, that I find it hard to support anything they do right now, including botching this trade up SO bad, that we are pushed into a corner to trade Clarry for well under his value.

You live and die by these types of catastrophic list management decisions. If we decide that we need to move on from Clarry, and we give him up for little value, to a direct competitor, then we cannot expect to contend next year or even beyond. Our window is brief while Gawn, May and Viney are still at their peak. Losing Gus and now Clarry, means that supporters need to massively reset their expectations. The same people on here advocating to push him out for the betterment of our culture, will also be the same people who scream "sack Goody" two weeks into season 2025 when it becomes clear that we are not a top 8 team anymore. This is not a Hogan for May trade. We are struggling to attract established talent, hell, we are struggling attract mediocre talent too. Trading Clarry is not some magic bullet. It won't suddenly fix all the issues that this club has. Just remember all this in 2025 when you're melting down over our performance.

Watch them win a flag in 2025

Clarry at Geelong, with their culture and ability to support players, will win a Brownlow. They are a club that doesn't drop their load every time a player gets a little too ummm 'happy' at a nightclub in the middle of the week. They know how to keep their standards, without demanding perfection from players. They support each other from top to bottom. Chris Scott, an annoying [censored] that he is, would take a bullet in the media for his players. This is a club that knows how to SHUT UP and get on with it.

Who knows. This club is leakier than the Titanic on the way down.

You really think Clarry and his management go to meet with Geelong based off this? Clarry is managed by the Connor group, as is Trac. If there’s one thing we’ve learnt, is that this management group isn’t shopping you around and setting up meetings with other clubs, unless all parties are in agreement that a trade is on the table.

I’m curious how every single thing Clarry was up to last off season was widely known immediately by everyone, and yet these apparent new off field incidents have only come to light today as we try to justify putting Clarry on the trade table. I am not suggesting this isn’t true, it absolutely might be. Timing however is interesting.

You’re right, it’s possible that another club offered him more money and this is his motivation. Doesn’t change the fact that we aren’t exactly an attractive destination to outsiders. Undergoing a review, wanting to offload one of our best players, still need at least two new line coaches, Trac’s saga. It’s not a good look when you’re trying to attract talent. People want a stable work place.

Might be a question for @Dannyz

100%. Pert might be super happy to run the show, but he's not running it unless Green and the rest of the board are giving him the green light to do so. He might also be making decisions without the board's approval, but on the whole I would say the board would have given him support to get involved.

Surprise surprise, players don't want to come into a burning building.

If you are not extremely concerned that this club is seemingly being run by a bunch of blind monkeys flinging poo at the wall to see what sticks, then you should be. Leaving the Clarry trade aside, you've had Green take over as caretaker president, and since then he's had his pants pulled down by Gutnick, he's got Pert running a review when he should be reviewed instead, all the while this sinking ship is leaking worse than the Titanic. I am going to give Pert the benefit of the doubt here, and say that he isn't sitting in Noosa and ringing clubs around without the backing of the board. So if the board is letting Pert run the show, because they have lost faith in the FD, be it Goody, Lamb or Richo, then forget trading Clarry and get on with replacing the people in the FD and let their replacements make the list management calls! One thing is certain, a bunch of doctors, lawyers and ex footballers sitting on a board, have 0 credentials to make list management calls. And having the CEO act as a proxy for them, is even worse!

An even dumber version of Kane.

Because the one thing the club can’t do, is be as good for his brand as the likes of Collingwood or Carlton. The likelihood of Trac not exploring his options again in 2025 are low. It would take some serious success IMO.

Geelong don’t trade out top talent, they just trade it in for unders. It’s why Geelong > Melbourne