Jaded No More

I said Chandler was better than Spargo. IMO Chandler should have stayed on and Spargo should have been subbed off. McVee was a different point. I don’t think McVee is setting the world on fire and he needs a rest, and I agree should be dropped, but he isn’t why we lost today. Lever dropping 9 chest marks was more costly than anything McVee didn’t do in the contest I reckon. It’s our senior players not standing up today, or for much of this season (Trac and Clarry aside), that is hurting us the most.

Because we lost Hunt to injury. This is an entirely different issue.

For those who want JVR dropped, please discuss how we get better at ground ball and forward half pressure if we replace him with BB? BB and Tmac together plus one of Gawn/Grundy is the stuff of literal nightmares. You think the ball is coming out fast now? Just wait until you have 3 players who can barely bend down playing there. JVR is very competitive at ground level for a player his size.

The one thing that concerns me at the moment from a coaching perspective is that, accordingly to Goodwin, we still don’t know what our best mix is. We don’t know what the forward line should look like, or how Gawn and Grundy are best used together, or what the midfield mix needs to be. Hell we haven’t even got a settled back 6. Now I understand that injuries have made that more difficult, but at nearly the halfway mark of the season, for the coaches not to know what they ultimately want the side to look like in September, is really really worrying. They’ve had a whole pre season to work it out and yet here we are still confused.

To be fair to Geelong, their list is 9000 years old and they’ve achieved a hell of lot more than we have in the last decade. They also have a bazillion more injuries than we do. The season is far from gone, but it is in the balance. Lose the next 3, which is a possibility, and it could be. We need to make some changes to turn this season around. Can we? Of course we can. Will we? Who knows.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, annoys me more than posters coming on here and telling other posters what to do. This is a forum for supporters to discuss the club. Good or bad. As long as people do so respectfully, who is anyone to tell them what they should do. The large majority of posters here are paid up members who have spent tens of thousands of dollars supporting this club for many many years. If they want to be upset about a poor loss, they have that right.

He also had 2 touches in the first half. Not a good one from the vice captain and an even worse one from the captain

Am I old, or does he look like a literal infant? I’m old aren’t I?

Need something special from GC! Also a Richmond upset and Crom defeating Brisbane at home would be greatly appreciated.

At least a Geelong loss has helped cheer me up.

We need a change to the assistant coaches at the end of the season. Bring in some fresh ideas. The midfield and forwardline especially is not working. Goodwin is a good off field coach. Players love him and culturally he’s done so much for the team. But we need to freshen things up in the box.

They fluked it far more than we did* If Pies don’t go down to Sydney by a point in the prelim, I reckon Cats don’t win it. *there is no such thing as a fluked flag ffs

And we will be saying the same thing about JJ when Viney inevitably breaks down at 30 years of age. But by all means, keep playing Harmes.

Honestly it was so putrid. You’d think he’s some hero of the MFC who captained us for a decade and left to go home because his mother was dying, or worse, got unceremoniously dumped against his will. He’s a kid who got lucky and won a flag with us and then ran home at the first chance he got. Cheering him was ludicrous. Him laughing after smashing Gawn straight in the back tells you everything you need to know about what sort of guy he is. An grateful, graceless clown.

Yeah I don’t care how bad we ever get, nobody will ever take that flag away from us. We won it and we won it so comprehensively, it’s actually disrespectful to suggest we fluked it. We climbed over a lot of hurdles, including massive Covid restrictions, to get that flag. Let’s no rewrite history because we are mad at current events.

Agreed. That was so embarrassing. Don’t boo if you don’t want, but cheering a player who basically checked out mid year is a joke.

Don’t worry, they’ll turn it all around and kick 20.1 next week 😂

About as well as our players defending Gawn when Jackson hit him hard straight in the back.

Exactly. Saints far exceeding expectations Can’t say the same for Melbourne.

This is for me, the biggest issue we currently face. A lot went right in 2021, but the one intangible that got us to the flag was the unwavering buy in and desire to win. That has gone missing since 2021, and it’s frankly a slap in the face to the large majority of our supporters who weren’t there to experience the premiership. If our players are not driven to win a flag in front of their supporters who have eaten a lot of [censored] from this club for many decades, then what exactly are they motivated by?

Will be pretty special to beat one of Pies or Geelong at home when we can’t even beat Freo at home who were a man down in the ruck for a half a game. Also the loading excuse is wearing thin. If everyone does it, why are we the only good team who can’t hack it?

Correct. It was just stock standard poor umpiring. Nothing to see here.

No, but we have to stop using the umpiring as an excuse. Every side cops [censored] umpiring. That’s life. A good side doesn’t make excuses.

If losing to [censored] Freo at home isn’t worthy of a meltdown, what is?

Chandler was better than Spargo today. No idea why they subbed him off and not Spargo, who can’t kick further than 30m. McVee was ok. He isn’t the issue. It’s the midfield and half forward line that is absolutely embarrassing us.