binman

Watts is a C+ player ... sometimes B-. It's been that way for a few years now.

Previously, we've had an abundance of D grade players so Watts was an obvious best 22 - then.

Now, our list is on the verge of becoming much stronger so Jack will need to become at least B- consistently (or better) in order to be best 22.

If he can somehow raise his game to B grade level then he'll be comfortably best 22. It's all in Jack's hands.

Everyone has a different grading system but I see a B grade footballer as a player who plays well most weeks and rarely, if ever, gets dropped. A solid contributor who plays his role and can beat his opponent.

B+ is very good or excellent and A grade is elite, a gun and a champion of the game. The A grade status is bandied around far too easily - A grade should be reserved for game breakers and genuine match-winners.

The draft pick number he was picked at is now quite irrelevant.

An excellent summary and i concur with your analysis.

Using the same formula i have more concerns about Dawes getting a regular game than Watts and its worth remembering we gave up pick 20 for him.

The only reason JW is still on our list is because nobody was interested in a trade deal.

So 2016 will be Jack's last season or his best

Over to you Jack....

That's a complete nonsense. if they didn't rate him at all they would have cut their losses and taken waht they could have got, which would have been minimum a second rounder

The messages are clear for those that want to read them. Watts is toast.

In all seriousness if you believe the club also believe that why do you think they didn't trade him? His value is not going to increase playing him the twos and in any case i think he is a restricted free agent so they will get diddley next year if they trade him

If they really wanted to punish you, they'd make you take a two month sabbatical from posting climate change skeptic graphs and article snippets.

The non footy board us demonlands equivalent to the dark web

We also only changed our minds on Oliver from Parish on Monday night

Quoting the immortal line from Rep Man - i call [censored] on that.

Listening to Taylor's interview with Burgo he is clear they rated Oliver the best player in the draft after Mills and that the strategy was always to take the best available player, noting that they didn't try and get cute by taking the weed at 3 and hoping for Oliver to fall to 9. They don't finalise their player rankings the night before the draft.

What happens if he plays the first 9 games and is then injured for the rest of the season?

I lose the bet, though would argue for a moral victory

Going by the 2nd half of the year, no his is not best 22, and the last round proved that.

Without wanting to get into another back and forth debate about where Jack 'Rolls Royce' Watts sits in the pecking order i would dispute both your claim he is not best 22 and your evidence.

On the evidence front i would offer the following in terms of him being best 22:

• Roos has selected him for all but 4 or 5 of the 46 games he has been coach
• Sure they may have shopped him around but the fact the dees did not trade him suggests they believe he is best 22 (or at the least close). If they didn't rate him at all or see him as part of the future they would have cut their losses and taken a second rounder (which they would have got). They didn't hesitate to cut Toumpas, despite getting SFA for him
• I rate him in our top 22

I tell you what...

I'll change my avatar to Binman's choice for 6 months from the day he plays his 11th game (won't happen) and you can dictate my signature for the corresponding period.

Excellent.

Good to have you on board the Watts train Ron.

I think they will rotate up and back, at different times both plus Petracca will be out of the square.

Thanks. I read somewhere that he might slot into a third tall role early dawes

playing next season. ..pretty good.

Playing round 1 ... not likely

If he shows form in magoos i reckon they'll blood him before seasons end in a 'lesser' game.

In reality. ..totally up to the kid. Those who put hand up and bash on doors...will be heard.

And what position? A true full forward with Jesse chf? Has he played mainly out of the square?

Assuming he is injury free what is the likliehood of him playing next season?

Done.

EDIT: to be fair, I should have his avatar the entire summer. You taking months off means I should at least have a 6 moth avatar.

Game on. Best of luck. I hope he doesn't get injured.

As for the avatar i don't mind if you have 6 moths in your avatar as long as the head of each is a smiling jack watts.

Yep. It's on.

No need to take a sabbatical though. I just get to choose your avatar for a 2 month period as well.

Don't let me down here Jack.

Well i wasn't offering you the bet but i'll take it none the less. Go Jacky boy.

By the by technically NAB games count as proper season games weren't specified, but in the spirit of the bet we'll make it the season proper.

Crickets thus far from PD by the by

Watts won't play 10 games next year. They want a team of "22 competitors" and clearly he isn't.

Would you like to have a bet on that?

I'll wager he will play more than 10 games and if i lose will take a 2 month sabbatical form Demonland. If he plays more than 10 you change your avatar for two months to a pic of Wattsy of my choosing.

How about it are we on?

Listening to their interviews they all have a bit of mongrel in them.

I'm starting to look forward to our version of the hawks Anti Social Football

“I want to compete. I hate losing and I’ve got a strong set of hands and really aggressive at the footy,” he said.

Sound familar? This was a quote from Hullet but could have been from any number of players recruited to the dees in the last two years (and you can chuck in Hogan and Viney as players cut from the same cloth)

The bolter narrative is ridiculous. From those who watch TAC he's been well in the first round calculations for a large part of the year and just kept getting better and better. Then turned up to draft camp looking like an AFL footballer (or an 18 year old one).

100% agree. The fact that he had a brilliant second half of the season, played solid VFL games and did well at the combine might have keen factors in deciding to make him our target but that is very different from him being a 'bolter'.

I have little doubt the club has had Chunk jnr on their radar for the last two years given the directive from Roos as to what sort of player he wanted them to recruit with our first (and subsequent) pick; ie a physically strong, competitive, see ball get ball beast. I could also imagine Roosy saying it would be nice if that player is a good chance to be AFL ready come round 1 next year. Cj ticks all those boxes.

What I have done (which I saw an older lady have at the footy one day), is get them all sewn together to create a rug or blanket. It looks pretty cool and puts them all to good use. Then just add them as the years go on.

I saw her and had the same plan. Around the same time went into an op shop and there was a whole bunch of 2012 scarves. I bought a handful, to boost my supply and had them all in a garbage bag waiting for the inspiration to sew them together (well to be honest for my wife to sew together). Then someone (wife or kids are the suspects) threw the bag out. Perhaps it was a sign

They were told to count to three and say cheese. Brent struggled.

Which is funny because he's wearing glasses because he believeed the bloke who told him it makes you more inteliigent

Good article on Oliver here.

States how we met him at his home after the draft camp and that we were a lot nicer club to talk to than Essendon who ripped into him.

What a bunch of flogs!

Suck on these apples Essenscum.-

Melbourne considers Clayton Oliver with first pick: Plays like Ollie Wines

Inetersting - if true - that according to the article most clubs rate him no 3

This photo of Oliver makes it look like he's eaten Darcy Parish for breakfast.

I loved this line from the article: The stocky but explosive midfielder.

I got one half of that equation right in my footy career, such that it was.

He's a big lad in that photo, however he really trimmed down by the time of the combine. He looks completely different.

I had to laugh at his AFL.com video. Funny, upbeat kid. He jokes about his weight but also says how competitive he is.

Funnily enough this combination of competitiveness but being a bit of a character makes me think we'll take him. Reminds me a bit of Petraaca (without the bravado). Part of what Roos is trying to build is a bunch of competitors but also an enjoyable, collegiate environment where the players are mates. I reckon Oliver would be a popular sort of fella and would contribute to that vibe.

We did? When?

Don't ruin a good story HT

My final go at 3 and 7 is Oliver and Weideman.

A Roos type mid, with plenty of upside and ready to go and a key forward, who will need time, but could be part of a top two pronged attack, with JH, for years to come.

Let the record reflect that i agree and also predict we will go Oliver and the weed (sounds like a trippy kids book).

So because we don't have trading on draft day (yet) - clubs cannot target players?

If ever there was a year to target a player at 3 it is this year - there have been two players seemingly set in stone at 1 and 2 since before trade week.

Agree. Based on the really fascinating interview with Taylor on afl.com and more recent comments my sense is that they have their player locked in. Given the seeming certainty of picks 1 and 2 surely this was a key driver in the decision to get pick 3. If we go oliver,who seems to fit the roos mould, then I reckon that decision was along time ago

I think we are already set up well for the future, this draft will be the cream on the top...

Would you believe it will set us back 2 years? No? Then would you believe it will set is back 6 months? No? Well how about the average length of a post game player interview?

He's back.

Quigley's Draft Rankings

He'll get some wrong and plenty won't agree, but he has an exceptional eye for talent.

Thanks PD. I have to say he makes a pretty compelling case for Francis and given his size i could imagine Roos being a fan. I like the fact he describes him as a natural footballer who backs himself.