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He's coming second in the coaches award behind Sloane. That is flat out taking the [censored]. Are the media giving him his dues? He's 19 ffs.

Very few showed any interest in him at all, let's be honest. I don't get bragging rights very often (or at all) so I'm milking that one to the last drop.

Some fun reading on the first two pages

@praha - please appease my pedantry and put a line through the entire heading like you have done with the others.

He has a fair bit of Cripps about him. More skilful though. He's a hugely exciting prospect. Once he develops a tank, look out.

His argument is basically a bunch of legal gymnastics, mainly centering around how the AFL Regulations are interpreted and whether the powers to strip the Brownlow can be enacted for a case dating back to 2012. Its a situation where the right thing to do is smacking everyone in the face, and he's trying to worm his way around it by looking for a legal loophole. It's actually a bit sickening. The rest of his argument isn't even worth noting. He infers there is no precedent by doing what every desperate Bomber fan does - referencing Cousins. A player not found guilty of doping and therefore lirrelevant to the discussion. Although he tops that by referencing Hird's Brownlow, as though his involvement in the scandal should mean his Brownlow as a player should come under greater scrutiny. Simple deflection. This is almost the definition of an open and shut case. If they manage to find a loophole that enables Watson to keep his Brownlow, I hope the integrity of the sport's highest individual award and therefore the sport as a whole is worth it. Because that's what the cost will be.

Ultimate so bad it's good is Surf Nazis Must Die. Biggest disappointment was How I Won the War. The novelty of John Lennon on screen wears off after two minutes and you're left with a desthly boring film. Worst movie (also coming under the banner of "what did you expect?") is Adam Sandler's Little Nicky. It's buyer beware with anything of his but Little Nicky has to be seen to be believed.

Just happy to get it done. The upgrade softens it slightly given our ability to find players around that pick. Dodoro was never going to budge. I wouldn't have put it past him to keep Hibberd on for next season if we didn't play ball. Hopefully that's the last we have to deal with them for a while.

I truly hate Essendon with every fibre of my being. I just needed to get that off my chest. Cheers.

In an alternate universe somewhere, there is a Demons supporter forum talking about Fyfe being lured to Melbourne by his childhood best mate in Cale Morton.

Good to know the condescending crap written about Melbourne hasn't dried up just yet. Not many (if any) other clubs would have an article purely trying to make sense of why a player wants to go there. Take a breath. Melbourne is a destination club. At least that’s Michael Hibberd’s perspective as the defender seeks to join the Demons ahead of the 2017 season. Translation: Preapre yourself for something shocking. Players actually want to go to Melbourne. I know right? At least that's what Hibberd reckons. Lol good luck Michael.

Okay, so we're officially a destination club now (lulz at that entire exchange). Hiibberd and Salem in 2017 I'm excited. Not quite at Big Kev level but in that vicinity.

As I said, I get that 55's groupings are conditional. I guess it depends on how many of those options were enacted. The sum of the parts so to speak. It also is hugely contingent on what we actually are getting in return. White's performance against Footscray doesn't do him in any harm in his quest to remain on the list, but I don't think we'd suffer too greatly from moving him on. My delistings would be Newton, Terlich, Dawes, King(R) and maybe White(R) with Lumumba retiring potentially. I agree that only one of Dunn or Garland should be traded, as trading both would be a crazy given the depth of our key defensive stocks. Out of the two I'd say keep Dunn. I'm resigned to the fact that Grimes will likely seek greener pastures which I think is a shame as I honestly believe he has some good years ahead of him. They will probably be played at another club and so be it. I wish him luck. With Grimes and Newton going I'd keep Michie. He has assets as a player that are undersold and he hasn't had ample opportunity at AFL level in roles that suit him. I understand I'm pretty much on my Pat Malone there and I'm okay with that. ANB and JKH might be on the trade table but I'd want them used only as part of a deal for a certified gun in return. I believe in both being able to become quality players, ANB moreso. Harmes won't be going anywhere and I doubt Wagner will either. M Jones and Pedersen provide points of difference. Their spot would want to be filled by a player that betters them in those areas. My underlying point is I'm obviously okay with strenghtening the list, but we are in a precarious position with the ages of the players being thrown up for delisting and trade. A lot of them are senior players in an already VERY young squad. If we are replacing these guys with speculative picks in the 50s and 60s then I'm not okay with that. We have stability and we have a Casey side about to challenge for a flag. I don't want to see that stability disrupted unnecessarily.

Not going into this. Safe to say we disagree on the quality of certain players. Minimal list changes are required. There is no cause for a panicked slash and burn.

Yep, on the condition they're not replaced. Honestly I'd keep Pedo regardless. More than handy role player to have at our disposal.

I get that some of these groupings are conditonal, but I can't for the life of me understand why some supporters want to do major pruning of the list. Is it force of habit? I don't get it. We have the strongest Casey side in more than a decade. Our depth as a result is as strong as it has been for a similar amount of time. If we cut loose all of Grimes. Michie, Newton and ANB, that's basically the core of the second string midfield gone. We'll be back to having a crap Casey side applying no pressure to the seniors. It just makes no sense to me. It's worth emphasising again, we had a charmed run with injuries this season. We may not be so fortunate next year.

Can't recall if he did (and have no desire to watch the segment again to confirm either way). It sort of goes without saying that if you think a player is a list clogger then you also think they should be delisted/traded, doesn't it? Personally I think getting rid of both of them with no ready replacement would be almost as dumb a decision as we could make, and I don't see it happening.

Possibly. That would be his only defence.

Lloyd described all of Dawes, Dunn, Garland and Pedersen as list cloggers in the club review on the AFL website. Anyone who wants to delist both Dawes AND Pedersen isn't fit to comment on Melbourne's playing list. Keeping one of them (Pedersen) is a must.

Delist: Terlich, Newton, White, King FA: Grimes 50/50 on Dawes and I'd keep Michie for another year personally (shouldn't surprise anyone).

Yep, spilt milk etc.

I could [censored] about mine and stu's Hibberd thread being merged with the Hurley one. And how five months worth of Hibberd discussion is now lost in that thread. But I'm above that.... *grinds teeth* Anyway, second rounder seems fair to both parties. Hopefully it doesn't get complicated further because Essendon.

Thank god Essendon beat the Suns today. Being the only side to lose to them this season would've ranked high in the embarrassment stakes.

He does seem pretty attached to his mate Billy. Not saying it would be a deciding factor, just an influencing one. No way I'd be letting ANB go if it can be avoided. He will be a player down the track. That said, with the amount of talent on the list, one or two guns slipping through the fingers is almost inevitable. I'm not as keen to get the broom out as others when we are sitting top of the VFL table. Depth is a strength at the moment so delisting of players like Michie and Newton needs to be carefully considered as they who are both still reasonably young and placing pressure upon those in the seniors. They themselves may seek out opportunities elsewhere. Players I see being moved on are Terlich and Grimes with Dunn, Dawes and Spencer all possibilities to be playing elsewhere next season. I'd keep Garland at least for depth as he is more adaptable to the attacking game plan. We need cool heads in charge of these decisions. Obviously the club is in a much healthier point now, but we've seen what can happen when you let a bunch of senior players go in one hit. I'd be happy seeing changes staggered over the next two years rather than a whole heap at once, but a lot will depend on whether certain players are happy to stick around knowing where they sit in the pecking order.

Thanks for sharing. Might be time to tell the folks down at ESPN that the club has had a new logo for several months now.