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If Gawn actually plays (as opposed to actually doesn't play ...) it'll be because he's OK to play. Hard to see what could be problematic. Though whether he plays or not has little to do with Misson, it's a call for the Doctors and medical specialists.

The only thing that's mind-bogglingly stupid is making claims about players' injury status without having all the information at hand or the competence to assess such information.

He got a knock to the knee. (Contact sport and all that.)

I'm not sure anyone's saying that it is. Equally, things aren't always as unconnected as they might at first seem: inability to perform at highest level (personally/collectively) -> falling confidence and self-belief -> inability to perform at highest level (personally/collectively).

Absolutely. Though the thing that jumped out at me re the Lewis comments were re the May/Frost "discussion", where he made the point that Sam hasn't played in a team where he's had a player around him like May to make those kinds of comments in the first place. "It's basically two players who haven't played together very much". Which goes back to the subject of this very thread, and the lack of time together over the pre-season and onwards.

It does. It completely and utterly does. What do you think it takes to maintain, yet alone improve, skills at an elite level? Yet we've had a substantial number in the team who couldn't even kick a ball, yet alone practise overhead marking, for months on end. Same for "dumb" football. It's about a) decision-making and b) you being aware of what's going on around you. Both of which you need to practise. At the moment, not only do players not really know what those around them are going to do (due to lack of time together), half the time I wonder if they even know WHO is around them, the team has been so unsettled since last year's finals.

It's not the playing on part that's the issue per se, it's what happens after we play on, i.e. the disposal. So many disposals just don't make their target, so then ... turnover, and it's off to the races. Weideman has his shortcomings, sure, but watch how many times he works to position, only to see the ball sail over his head or land 10m in front.

Maturity = intelligence, so a bit of both. Same as with everything, experience counts for a lot and experience is something we don't have a lot of, either individually or collectively.

There you have it. Re the turnovers, the usual offenders, and in particular the bottom 6. Lockhart seems to have a good sense of what's going on around him, plus enough skill to do what's required in response. But Baker, Hannan, Petty, Frost, Tim Smith are often the cause of breakdowns in possession chains. Add to that players like Viney, Hunt, Petracca, Tom Mac, Brayshaw, and sometimes I wonder how we can keep possession at all.

"It certainly wasn't going to change the outcome (of the diagnosis)"

Hindsight bias.

Yes, it's bizarre. Most here wouldn't even hire a plumber without being assured that they knew what they were doing. Yet at an elite sports club, with huge $$$ on the line, we're supposed to believe that the highly paid, highly specialised and highly credential medical and fitness staff we work with don't know what they're doing. (Though just to say, it's the doctors who rule on medical conditions and injuries, not the fitness staff.)

"Osteitis Pubis is a common cause of chronic groin pain in the football codes. It is an overuse injury. That is, it is caused by repeated trauma rather than a specific incident. However, it is not uncommon for a specific incident to trigger the symptoms." https://physioworks.com.au/injuries-conditions-1/osteitis-pubis

Only confirms, once again, how out of the loop the average fan is as to what's really happening. Selection is not just based on what's on view to the public. Thankfully. Good for Oscar to be putting his hand up.

Sigh.

That's because your understanding of the game is so superficial and one-dimensional. (Though there was no "passionate defence", just a statement, though this is typical of your straw man arguments.)

I've come to the right place then.

Yep, because sometimes injuries are like that. And you don't have to look at Smith, the Joe Daniher case is typical. Not all bodies respond to the same treatment in the same way and over the same time frame. If they did, most doctors would be out of business.

It could be one week, it could be 3-4 weeks: on the information we have at the moment it's too early to say, and we'll see how it evolves over the next week or so at which time, with more information, we'll be able to make a more definitive prognosis. What's so difficult to understand here? Have none of you ever been to a doctor?

And your medical qualifications are?

"Meanwhile Michael Hibberd is expected to be available to return this week, assuming he is able to get through training. Hibberd had surgery after the Queen’s Birthday game to realign a plate that was inserted when he broke his collarbone against Gold Coast in round eight. Defender Jake Lever will miss another week with bruising suffered to his reconstructed knee. "Lever is probably another week, he is a lot better this week but taking into consideration what his last 4-6 weeks has looked like as well he probably misses another week," Mahoney said."

Aha, all has been revealed: "The Demons pulled McDonald out of all playing for three weeks and put him through an intensive three-week weights and agility program to build his body and confidence. "In the first part of the season Oscar was not able to do what he wanted to do and we had to find a way to help him get back to playing the footy he knows he can play," Melbourne football manager Josh Mahoney said. McDonald did have an operation after the end of the season and missed a large portion of the pre-season which had set him back, Mahoney said." https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/demon-does-mini-pre-season-to-find-form-20190624-p520tw.html

Jesus H Christ. Talk about long bow. (Also, you don't need the "blatantly". He didn't say it, full stop.)

Got nothing on the BS that goes around Demonland. Weideman got injured in the Casey game, was reported at the time. Oscar was injured at the end of the GWS game, also reported at the time, even though he played the following week. He also had hip operations in the off-season, so perhaps a combination of those factors.

Hogan: foot. Obviously came back too soon.