DeeSpencer

It’s just outrageous than a guy who’s overpaid by 400k per season needs pick 7 to dump him. Even if it’s a future first back (which seems unlikely). Should be pick 35 at most to dump him. Gold Coast allegedly are trying to stop making the same mistakes but it sounds like they’re keen to make more. Meanwhile Geelong have a never ending salary cap.

If a team asks for a top 25 pick and we get pick 27 there’s no way in hell we should suddenly offer 19! Once they have Tom Mitchell lined up they’ll do the deal for 27

He was that good, then he got injuries, they had a cheaper alternative and now they’re moving on. We tried to do the same to Tom McDonald after 2020, we’re trying to do it with Tomlinson, that’s footy. The Treloar situation was a bit different because they asked him to be back ended, then slandered him in the press when they wanted him offloaded.

So your advice to Collingwood was to trade Grundy in 2019 when he was All Aus and they’d lost a grand final by a kick a year prior? The signed him in January 2020, there’s only so much earlier you can sign a guy. We got Oliver and Tracc midseason 16 or so months out but not sure it was a huge discount, they’ll be on close to 7 figures too. I’m not doom riding Oliver and Tracc. But I think we have to be careful with Tracc’s injuries to keep him fresh. Brayshaw everyone knows my thoughts on. Salem and Fritsch have 4 left I wouldn’t see them certainties to last.

At least one of our long term deals will probably go to (bad) if it’s hasn’t already. That’s without mentioning medium term deals like Lever, Gawn, Tomlinson, Brown, McDonald. The Pies had 3 choices: - Trade an All Aus ruck a year ahead of time - Accept a very ordinary late first round compo in a mess of a draft when he left to Adelaide - pay him market value They’ve had him for 2 more years and will be left with 1.5M dead cap but they’ve get a similar worth pick now than if they just let him go as a free agent in 2020.

I assume this is referring to Marlion Pickett snatching his soul in the ‘19 grand final. Wasn’t that keen on the contest before then and has only gone down hill since

We did? I thought we were ordinary in just about all of those games, relied on our backline and defensive grid stone walling teams and generally put them away with a burst of pressure/contest stuff they couldn’t handle. Apart from the GWS Witches Hats we didn’t have anything like a complete performance in the first 10 weeks and our ball movement was stagnate in most games. That said, speed really wasn’t an issue. Run and creativity were the problems.

Gawn and perhaps English are the only players on that list coordinated enough to genuinely trouble a matured Jackson in marking contests. 8cm or so is fairly easy to defend if you’ve got positioning, leverage and athleticism. A lot of them might trouble him in the ruck but once he hits full strength I don’t think being shorter hurts. Hawkins forward, Nankervis, Mumford, you don’t need height for most ruck contests. And he keeps his leap it won’t be an issue at all. Either way I expect him to be a top 3 ruck from ages 23-30+ if that’s how he gets used. But it’s the Blicavs stuff that’s key. Blicavs this year went from Mr Fix it to an absolute weapon. He’s a beast at tagging powerful mids because he’s just so large. He provides another long kick option that keeps Jezza and Hawkins at home. And he can ruck from the midfield that means Stanley can sit wherever he wants. He completely changes the basic maths on where you can use players. He’s worth more than any ruck aside from a dominant Gawn or Nic Nat. Every other ruck can be nullified by a half decent veteran. If a team is a ball movement team Blicavs rucks and Stanley sits at CHB. If a team is a stoppage team then Blicavs tags the key mid. If a team is built on intercepts Blicavs becomes the long kick target away from the intercept defenders. His impact on games massively outweighs his pure talent.

I’d say he’d last 30 years doing that. The real danger to his career is if he has to limit himself to facts and avoid click bait. He’ll be replaced in 5 minutes by the next ex player desperate to stay relevant if he did that

Might have to be a future 3rd, we can probably dump 50 at the draft for a side wanting it. Either way, Bedford + something for 30 probably works for both sides

GWS likely have pick 30 coming in as part of the Hopper trade. 30 for Bedford + 50 seems about right

That’s my point, from Dingley the Hawks can own the Peninsula, I bet they’re going to try. There will probably be a short bus straight to the Kennedy centre from the suburban rail loop if/when it’s built too. Meanwhile Casey is much further from Melbourne, further from anywhere desirable and the cross roads back to non Hastings part of the peninsula are a mess,

End result if it went all the way could be Kossie called in to answer questions which possibly wouldn’t help the club. I would expect some stern follow up with the powers that be at afl house. Can’t have people on afl endorsed channels calling people liars.

Bedford, Hunt, Jackson, Rosman +/- Baker out. Grundy in. Chandler promoted? That’s 2-3 main list spots as is. And 3 rookie spots. Baker, Hibberd and Melksham could all be redrafted as rookies rather than main listers so there’s plenty of flexibility to add more players or lose more players. I’d go to the draft with at least 2 main picks and a 3rd pick that we can use or not use depending on the strength of the draft

Jones surely a lot more money, which is a worry for the dogs. But you’re right, 31 year should get nothing. Retired player nothing too. And the picks should be giving at ends and middles of round then only ordered in ladder order from there if multiple picks are in the same band.

If they’ve put the 2 firsts on the table they’ve started with a fair first offer. It’s always going to take time for either side to arrange the top 10 pick we need to sign off on the deal. The Bowes deal gets pick 7 on the market, that’s probably our best chance. Actually, If Gold Coast weren’t stupid they’d have already traded pick 7 so they didn’t have to kick in so much with Bowes. But then they wouldn’t be Gold Coast

Don’t worry I am. But the good news is I’m still upset with Lamb keep his Cutlets rather than turning the list over.

We have a pick for Bedford coming somewhere and we have the other pick in the 50’s. When the draft only goes 45 players deep we’ll be picking the same players. The only cost is the opportunity cost to move up for one or the teams moving back.

Almost like the points system is junk. 53 - 0 points in this draft 43 - the minimum steak knife to get 33 to 27

If Freo have offered us 13 and a future first then we can ask for the North future 2nd and in return give our future 2nd and throw in the Hunt compo pick. Heck, throw in a pair of 3rds. I suspect we hold off and do it all in one go, but as long as there’s genuine interest in 13 (or Freo’s future pick) and the North 2nd for a top 10 pick we could make progress on it ourselves

Doesn’t seem like a Jason Taylor type of tall forward.

A [censored] club that has pick 13, what do you call the clubs with the top 10 picks?

Heppell’s not afl standard, Harmes would immediately improve Essendon as an on baller if they wanted it, but they might prefer to play kids. Similarly he could be a consistent starting wingman there too. My guess is what he really wants is a 4-5 year deal on good coin to lock him to 31+. Especially if his existing deal was front loaded (as it should’ve been if we were switched on when he signed it). The rest of our mids waited until they were 26 (or 24/25 ahead of time) to sign long deals that will pay them forever. Harmes - as a rookie pick who battled his way to becoming a good player - took the early money. Had he gambled on himself he’d be a free agent now and teams would gladly offer him a very nice deal.

Have to factor in injuries but the 19th is a lot higher on points per game. Given Harmes has mostly been durable you can’t ding him for injuries too much. The 16th is about where he rates on our list, with the proviso that he can be a top 10 or higher finisher if we did just use him in a permanent mid role. Considering winning footy always starts with the mids there’s a premium. I get the feeling the list management plan is to draft or develop some proper midfield depth then reassess Harmes next year. Let’s see where Howes, Laurie, Woey and Chandler are at. They aren’t there yet

I think it’s as simple as Bedford leaving. Different players of course but Toby could’ve covered some of Harmes’ role. Without him we can afford to keep Harmes, don’t desperately need the pick and can’t get any skinnier with depth.