dee-man

I understand what eveyone is saying about future picks etc & i know we need them,just think todays effort was very poor & wouldve liked a close game where we had a go

Exactly.All good to lose but to get smashed by a pathetic team thats 14th is a discrace.We are building a losing mentality & how do you expect to get new sponsors or supporters dishing up crap like that.Who says skully will be any good anyway.Hes good as a kid but so was Travis Johnson & we all remember him dont we.He may be a star but you cant pin your future on 1 guy

Missing a vital point here,Watts,Bennell,Jurrah,Strauss,Blease,Wona etc havnt exactly set the world on fire & probably wouldnt get a game in any other club at this stage.Could be stars but might not either.We are a long way off & if i was a young kid i would hate to be drafted to Melb & that hurts me to say that

Agree with you 100% about PJ.Jamar has had 10 years & never done a thing.The Crows wanted him 2 years ago & i cant believe we didnt take it.I think PJ is far more mobile,can mark & dosnt actualy mind running & kicking.Ok he lacks a bit but of polish but just give him a good run & let him get some confidence.Think we need to lay of PJ

Another reason why with our 2nd pick in the draft we need to take a KPP.Mids are gettint the ball in there but all our forwards are a joke

Im with you there,hes still young but has a good brain & will develop like them.Hes playing on men & today Trent Hentschel from the Crows stood him so the opposition must rate him.He does play taller & is very quick & will only get better.Trengrove,Panos etc are playing league footy against men so are stronger & are learning a harder style than the TAC cup boys.Just look how Rich has gone,senior experience counts.Also i keep hearing about Butcher but what are his stats,ie height,weight etc.From the reports ive heard they say hes very lazy,dosnt chase so can anyone tell me anymore as ive only seen a few highlights

Dont know about the no tricks part,your comparing him to Fevola & as anyone will tell you hes the most one dimensional player in the game.Can Fev play anywhere but FF.Panos has been FF,CHF & today on the HFF.Also did any of the others have that many tricks at 17,Roughead,Fev,Buddy etc have all taken time & develop as the go.He has a great base as in kicking,marking,is quick & strong & will develop nicely.I watch him every week & rate him

Well sometimes some clubs see things that others dont.No-one wanted Farren Ray but look how good hes gone & also Zac Dawson.They may not give much in return but if we dont want them & can get a 5th or 6th round youngster its still good.Port want a ruckman badly so maybe Johnson for 1 of there young vic kids & also Bells South Australian & his name was talked about last year at Crows & Power

I know people will jump on my back here but what about trading Jamar.OK hes had a few good games this year but 1 of them was against a kid in Natanui.Has a very low stat average & dosnt present well enough up forward for my liking.Johnson may not be any better but hes contracted & when he is on i believe he is good & likes to go forward & kick a goal.When hes bad hes pretty bad but i believe its a confidence thing & can be fixed.Then we have Meeson,Spencer & martin who are all young & developing so i dont think we will be to bad there in the future.Also Jamar is 26 so hes only got 5 years or so left & at the moment the POwer have come out & said they will do anything to claim a ruckman via trade.Jamar is from SA so that helps & port are willing.Not sure what they could offer us but im sure there must be a few good VIC boys on there list.Anyone have any names or opinions?

If you want a gun kpp id suggest a guy by the name of Matthew Panos from Norwood in the sanfl.Hewas the best ranked forward in the U/18s carnival.Hes currently 190cm & about 85kgs.Started the year in U/18s then progressed to SANFL reserves & now to Norwoods League side.He can take a great mark & loves to take them contested,kicks it 60 metres & can play CHF or FF.In several games he has kicked half the teams scores & the big plus is hes doing it against experienced men who have played or are currently in AFL system,compared to Butcher whos only playing against boys.The kid will grow & if you look around you can find some video footage of him.He would definately be my pick after Skully

Sorry to dissapoint you,but im a ADelaide person although i hate both sa clubs & go for the mighty dees.But in the papers over here the rumour has been that trengrove will do whatever it takes to get back to s.a after his 1st contract ends.He only wants to play in s.a.Now he may change his oppinion down the track but i believe its a big risk>shame cos hes playing seniors in the s.a.n.f.l & has been racking up over 30 possies a game

Turned down a deal worth 1.2million over 3 years in rugby so you would have to beliece he is at least getting that to join gold coast.Heard reports that the AFL is actualy paying his wage & not gold coast just to get a profile up there & get the ball rolling.I watch 10 times as much ARL as i do AFl & whoever says he isnt quick is kidding.He will dodge & out run at least 90%of the footy players,plus actualy knows how to tackle & if he hits you believe me you will know it.Has a great vertical jump & is a big kic.Not sure how he will adapt but has played the game before & gotta believe if anyone could make it he possibly could.

I agree with you sylvinator regardind draft order,either that way or you could get the first 2 picks in the 2nd round,ie 17 & 18.still a advantage but not as big.Only problem then would be is that all the other clubs like st kilda,carlton etc have benifited from priority picks & will get the rewards down the track so why shouldnt we also be able to benifit?

I agree in part about all players mentioned & in some cases ill be a little bit harder.Agree that robbo is to small to be a kpp & should only be a flanker as he can take a mark & kick a goal.My problem with him is that he would have to be the biggest diver & faker in the game.He flys for the ball & arches his back looking for a free & then sooks when he dosnt get the free & lies on the ground & dosnt chase.Mcdonald has been good over the years but is a little bit slow & dosnt have a highly skilled side to his game,ie cant hurt opposition with penetrating kicks & hes always struggled to be a goal kicking mid.Both players have been good but think they are past it now & must finish at the end of the year,we cant afford to keep carrying players like this the way the draft will be.Bruce i would keep but id get him out of the middle & maybe run him off the half forward where he has pace & he can kick a goal.Mclean has dissapointed me big time.2 years ago i thought hed step up & be elite but his decision making is ordinary,burns the ball lots & seems to always put team mates under pressure.Very slow & cant handle a tag at all.I thought he would be a future captain but the way hes playing i dont think he even has a future at the club as i dont believe he,jones & moloney can all be mid & think the other 2 are ahead of him at the moment

Probably wouldnt get to much for him,but if i was him id be keen on it as we dont seem interested in giving him a run.Feel sorry for him as i think he goes ok & would rather him than Dunn.Maybe take a swap for Hall.Even a late pick is worth it if we arnt going to play him

If Sylvia could sort out a few minor problems i think he could be a ok leader in years to come as he has a huge future & is young.At the moment though id love to see Moloney get the gig,hes middle aged,hard at it & gives his all,also is in the heat of the battle all the time & dosnt take a backwards step.Loves to talk & instruct also which is where i have a problem with Davey.Has great skills but to me isnt a huge talker or leader & seems to be shy

i agree in part with what you're saying.I admit that at best you would only get a year or 2 out of him but if you could pick him up cheaply it may be a worthy risk.No doubt he still has the skill & talent to play at this level & having someone there like him takes the best backmen away from watts,martin,newton etc.These young guys of ours need a quality forward to teach them where to lead to & when to lead.At the moment they all seem lost & cant compete body on body so having hall there for 2 years would help them bulk up & gain some confidence by playing on 2nd & 3rd best backmen.I know we have no chance at finals at the moment & that we're building but if we keep going the way we are going these young guys development will stall & go backwards.To me,newton & dunn have gone backwards & possibly should be delisted at years end & i believe this is because they havnt had the quality forward to teach them best.Its all good having kids but losing every week dosnt teach them anything & dosnt get the club anywhere.I believe we are a long way from finals & dont think we will make finals until at least 2012 & thats because our young forwards havnt progressed without a mentor