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Dormant is right, they are in boxes, swyl. The thing is the progeny are out there, but in other colours, these days. Or other sports. We have to start at ground Zero again, Open up the club for passing trade (Richmond Station), and remake our base.

Actually, I see your point dim... We trade Angus and Hogan to the Blues, for Furphy, and change. The change being, charlie and jacob... curnow, and weitering.

If we want to get anywhere we cannot just assume. We have to have a crack. None of us, not even you Red, know what the future holds, and how things will pan out. So we just go into things with a bullish attitude, and do our best. see what comes out of it. At the least, we might push up his contract price for the pies to pay. That inturn, may shake another free ? But we have to be in it, to win it. The worries about loss of face, are just that, nothing, but worries. Those of us who laugh last, laugh the longest & deepest.

I do very much think we need mature midfield players. eg Sloane. and I'm not kidding myself. or you. Shiel, another I would be chatting to strongly, as the Giants tumble down that bean-stalk. Vince and Lewis will in my mind, finish this year. I would pay Lewis out, and rookie him. To play as assistant coach at Casey. We can then call on him next year, IF required. I'd be cashing in all salary cap space possible, this year, to use on a gun. no, not Gaff... good player, but not a gun.

Because they don't fire-up, when needed. They can't do the magic - - - - - - - - What we needed this time last year can change, from that time, to now... and what we need going forward, is not so much that gut-run, which was so important to us 12 months ago, But rather, midfield speed, and x factor. Our power players like Petracca, are not quick across the ground. And don't have that much X factor, with the ball in their hands. We have unearthed ANB, and Harmes is emerging as gut runners. I think Stretch may also add to this equation? We need that point of difference, who can create from inside the Mids setup. And when resting at half-forward, as well. We are a little bit vanilla in our inside midfield group rotations, apart from our power contested winning.

Of course we have a chance Red. It depends on our desire to do it. We need more speed with the run, than just plain endurance run and carry. Run and carry will not bust open tight finals games. That takes x factor , speed and pinpoint kicking. I sense the real issue why many here don't want to discuss this, is because it means further trades, possibly of players they are emotionally invested in. If we are to be ruthless, we can't let these things get in our way to getting to the Grand Final, and winning the darn thing, instead of getting belted in them.

why do you think Sloane wouldn't come to us?

taking pizz

a question, IF,,, Dylan Shiel or Josh Kelly wanted out of GWS, to come back to Victoria.? What would you be prepared to trade, to get one of them to the Dees, for 2019 ?

I don't see either of those two as Pure-Inside Mids,,, and that's what we need;,,, well rounded Mids to compliment our tough on-ballers. Tyson was hopefully to be this, but hasn't. This is why I say, of these two, Murphy or Sloane. I would think the obvious choice would be Sloane. Add Gaff into this equation, and I still think Sloane. Because with Sloane we have that well rounded Mid who will give us enough time to grow a young kid from the draft to become his successor. I just don't think Gaff is quick enough, for what he will cost us. IF we can only take one more top talent at present, with our cap space, I'd rather Sloane, or De Goey. Of these two, I would prefer De Goey. Rich mans ANB

not only Goodwin.

I'm smelling an AFL push around these matters. Ans since PJ was saying he would stay on 12 months if necessary, to mentor the incumbent. Now it seems October is the deadline? Somewhow I don't feel like this, is all our boards walk?

its time we took a good one.

What do you mean, swyl? I am for Pert.

I hear the Lions need mature players. and leaders. So, of the mature inside Mids in free agency, would you have Murphy first, or Sloane ? This is my main concern, with our current Mid setup. We are currently very one paced, across most of the field. Too much so, for the big games. Now that we are topping off our weaknesses, we need to add more speed. This choice this year, is possibly the last big name we can bring in. So IMO we must get someone who has at least some genuine speed, or a turn of speed. And good decision maker under pressure. I noted DeGoey's kicks, early in the game on Monday under pressure, were very good, and hit the targets, which resulted directly in goals. So DeGoey is dangerous when forward, and when up around the middle. Maybe he is a genuine centreman, in waiting ?

Most likely they did RM. ... but what IF the choice was down to a shortlist of say 3, and the board was divided on close choices. _ and then, what if the choice was leaked from head office, before the board had chosen ? What then ?

"cleanskin", not wearing any collingwood identifying paraphernalia. but rather showing Melbourne's identity.

I don't know the difference in market values,,, only the clubs would. But I do know that a top 10 pick would go a long way towards that end, as trade in part for De Goey. Now I know we all like Gus, but unfortunately he is a long term risk. We are not the complete list, that people have been talking about in recent seasons. And I know one pacy player is not the answer, just as Diamond Jim was not the answer on his lonesome,,, back in the 60's. We need to include about 3 quickish players into our lineup, IMO. Stretch might be one? Hunt at present, isn't. DShiel would go some way to help. Degoey would be fantastic. Gaff wouldn't, IMO. Buying in, would mean, we have to make some tough (ruthless) decisions with our list. We have to enter trade;,,, and yes trade some favourite players.

Simple; one is a goer, & the other is gone.

and hopefully get a little something back.

Brayshaw for top 10 pick. ... pick ontraded for De Goey ?

Do I hear Fitzroy street, dc

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