jnrmac

Is Brad Green still there?

Clearly you aren't happy to hear others opinions and given your family history I am even more shocked to hear that you want to curtail people's right to speak. Thats the thing about free speech, it also means having to listen to things you don't want to. Fight bad information with better information or better ideas. I don't believe in censoring anyone's views or de-platforming people. Particularly the AFL that would have to be one of the worst offenders for shutting down views they don't like. Speak to Dale Lewis about the AFL and his views on drugs. Speak to Matt Rendell and the his views on the AFL silencing him. Look at the Essendon drug saga and the shady stories from both the EFC and the AFL. I wouldn't trust the AFL in a world of Sundays to determine what stories are true or not. But you are. Good luck with that. As for "Make a constructive suggestion about how to hold the football press to account?" its not my position that the football press needs to be held to account.

I don't think it that simple. Particularly with a zone defence. Eg If Oscar zones off and constantly leaves, say, Jetta matched up alone in the goal square with Joe Daniher, then that wouldn't be the plan you would assume and so Oscar would get marked down by the coaches even though it was Jetta that lost the one on one. The club has the stats on all of the individual one on ones, the kms run each match, the defensive 1 per centers etc. PLus they know what the game plan is and the individual roles. My original hypothesis was based on two simple stats. We are 18th in both. We aren't 5th or 9th or 13th, we are last. That is pretty damning. I use my own judgement watching the games and replays to assess individual performances. The general consensus you would agree is that Hibberd and Jetta are having potential AA years. I do see that Ben Brown, Joe Daniher, Buddy, Tex and other large fwds monster our defence. Check out the goals scored in our losses. Its pretty obvious we have a glaring weakness in our defence and that is largely Frost and OMac. You clearly love Oscar and I say good for you. But defending him blindly when it he is clearly undersized and lacking in intesity in contests won't change the fact our defence is poor in two critical areas.

Yep my mistake. The ball enters our defensive 50 100 times....

It's a champion data stat and I'm pretty sure it means that if an opposition enters our i50 100 times they will have a shot on goal 53 times (not 100% sure but believe it includes out on the full) and 47 times we clear the ball out of the 50m zone. So 12 goals 3 behinds with 2 out on the full would be 17 shots on goal.

Your first post on this subject where I can (mostly) agree The bold bit is contradictory. Match performance vs role is critical. That is what I meant when I talked of expectations.

Buckley has finished lower each year he has coached I think. And he took over a GF team. So its clear he hasn't performed.

I don't necessarily agree with your assertion. The Bluey does show several things but the way it is voted on is unusual. Are you saying Matt Jones and Dean Terlich were good players? And Colin Sylvia wasn't? Would you pick Terlich over Sylvia? If the coaches had zero expectations for OMac at the start of the year and he played a lot of games he would poll well because every player gets a vote. So the Bluey has to be measured against games played and expectations.

You are missing the point. I think we can all agree that this is desireable and expected. But when it doesn't happen we are the worst in the comp and defending. Its not that difficult to understand and thats what the stats show. I expect my defenders to be able to defend.

I am happy for him as well but it has taken a lot of years for him to work out what is required to play at this level.

I just think you can't argue our defence doesn't have a glaring deficiency. OMac may well become a good defender. I personally have my doubts. There is no doubt he has improved this year. But with him and Frost in the side we get monstered by the likes of BBrown, Buddy, Daniher and other tall fwds. Oscar also has Watts-like intensity which costs us regularly.

You can? So if Frost says I want to go to Adelaide we can't do a trade he ends up back in the draft? Is that how it works?

Talk about credibility. What has Sam Weideman got to do with this?

Its not the midfielders job to win one on one defensive contests. If the defenders can't win or neutralise the majority of contests then they aren't very good defenders. Pretty simople really. Not sure why you are struggling with that.

Wow. So you don't like what someone says and you take away their platform/ability to say it. Let's just be sure what we are talking about here. That is censorship writ large and totalitarian behaviour. If you are both happy with that that's your choice. Me? I'm disgusted that you and Gil would think like that. So who exactly determines if something is 'real' or 'made up'? What committee or person will sit in judgement to determine whether a coaching rumour is true or made up? You are happy for someone to do that? Unbelievable. You might be better off living in the Soviet Union and reading Pravda. Does Tom Scully have his playing accreditation revoked because he lied about going to GWS? Does every second President of the AFL get 'de-platformed' because they say they are 100% behind their coach only to sack them 3 weeks later? Your Demonland analogy is rubbish. Yes, if someone is abusive etc then fine that is the rules of the forum but this "And just to draw a parallel, I believe Demonland's administrators will withdraw a person's privileges if that person posts stuff they've made up on Demonland." Are you for real? A footy forum where posters from all walks life rant and post rubbish like confetti? You want someone to sift through the news and determine what is 'true' before passing that on to you to read? Your forefathers would be turning in their graves that the freedoms (including freedom of speech) they fought for and gave their lives so that you could live in a free society were being given away so meekly. Shame on you both.

no way Buckley is gone Eddie is inextricably linked to him. Everyone else around them is going. That's the way Eddie rolls

Not sure how you are going to trade Frost. He is out of contract.

Yep. Was correct up to round 20. Doesn't include the last 2 games

Oliver and Jones were being held all day. The frees were one way.....

Yes but he wasnt alone. I don't think the conditions were the best.

Some people on here like to deny facts. Facts are: 1. teams score 53% of the time they enter our fwd 50 - last in the AFL 2. We lose 35% of defensive one on ones - last in the AFL Some people think this is the midfield (!) Go figure. Its clear to me watching the games that we are very poor when the ball comes in to our defensive 50. While midfield pressure will have something to do with the way the ball is coming in, the way the stat is measured means that a defensive one on one is only counted that way when both players have a reasonable chance of getting the ball. In other words it doesn't count when the ball comes in quickly to a fwd and the defender hasn't got a realistic chance of spoling the ball or gaining posession. Now we know that Hibberd and Jetta are greta one on one players. Possibly AA. So what does that leave? Frost and OMac. Some come on here to say OMac is gun and has improved "out of sight" this year. There is no doubt that he has improved but he is still a massive liability one one one. That's why we need Lever.

See you agree. They're only conspiracy theories until they're proven. Then they're fact.

Yeah it is. It's plain wrong. Sorry. It's a completely different stat.

Anyone else noticed Jess had his right shoulder bandaged but not his left? He did his left collarbone. Was he doing the Lin Jong trick?