Nasher

The whole time you've been on this forum you've hinted at some secret "truth" that you won't explicitly say. You are fast presenting yourself as being completely full of hot air. It is well time to put up, or...

Because of my vendetta against you Biff, I'm afraid none of your material will be in the book. (I truly haven't deleted any of your posts in this thread)

I know Chook in Perth is originally from Melbourne and his contacts are (obviously) in Melbourne also.

I have wondered where that went too. I'll have a look.

Haha, no. I can't recall ever having deleted a single post that I felt better for having seen. People do go a little loopy though. In this thread alone, one of the posters participating in this thread accused me of deleting his posts because I'm not on the same side of the argument as him, when actually I have no idea what post he is talking about, who deleted it or why he would assume it was me when there are half a dozen people it could be. I'm pretty sure I haven't deleted any posts in this thread. In reality, every time I log on, this thread alone has added six pages, but for some reason people think we have the time or inclination to read them all ?

We're already on page 201 in my version, which includes all deleted posts. I consider this the official count, so if you're all waiting for page 200, you have missed it sorry ?

What's bizarre about it?

It makes me wonder why GNF posts on here for free instead of getting paid for it at the Herald Sun.

How tedious is this getting? The camp I'm in now is the "I'm well over discussing this, have said all I have to say a dozen times, and just wish whatever was going to happen would hurry up and happen so we can move past it" camp.

Ess: Francis & 23 for Stringer & 27 Adel: Cameron & 16 for Francis & 12 Dogs: Stringer & 27 for Schache & 23 Lions: Schache & 12 for Cameron & 16 Seems reasonable but a lot of stuffing around with small position shuffles. I reckon the four club reps would have walked away happy but with headaches trying to keep track of all that!

There's a chance we'll get hurt if we crash and burn next year and that early pick becomes more valuable for sure, bet even then I don't think it's catastrophic. If you plotted it on one of those risk matrices senior managers love, it'd come up as low likelihood, moderate consequence. You wouldn't cost yourself too much mitigating a risk like that. As for time, even with the weeks leadup, these things apparently take a while. I've never attended one so I don't know how as it seems straightforward from the outside, but the fact that the AFL extended the period from a week to a fortnight at the request of the clubs due to them always being time constrained, indicates that it must. Time will tell as to whether we do have other fish to fry or not though.

Sounds like the works of BS coming from salty Adelaide fans trying to demonise him (pun only sort of intended).

Actually I know a number of very successful people who do just make their best offer up front at times. It depends on what you're trying to achieve - if you're trying to stave off competitors or close the deal off ASAP then sometimes it is essential. Obviously the former is not relevant in this case but I'll bet the latter is - I'll be stunned if we don't have other fish to fry that involve the pick we received back from Adelaide, in which case this deal becomes time critical. You've made assumptions that the motivator was that he wants to be an anti-Dodoro and another assumption that because it's the only reason you could think of, it's the only reason full stop. It also may be that their view of the value of draft picks differs from yours. This would be part of an overall strategy to build the list a certain way. And I think arguably there's not a huge amount of difference between some pick hopefully in the mid teens next year and 27 this year - certainly the AFL points system doesn't indicate much difference.

No point of difference from any other fringer for mine. Will eek out a career if he can improve his ball use with experience, but if our list remains fit in 2018 I expect he will struggle for opportunities in the senior side.

If we finish bottom 4, there will be plenty of other questions to be asked first! It becomes an interesting feedback loop when a trade for a player involves a future pick. The player in this case should improve our prospects for next year, thereby automatically devaluing the pick we're trading him for. And Adelaide will now be hexing us big time in the hope that its value grows, so it adds another dimension to the rivalry. Good times!

I'll let the remainder of the trade period play out before giving any thought to whether we should have held out or not. If pick 35 is on-traded, that points to there being value in getting the deal done quickly rather than holding everything up.

There's no way that could be allowed to happen again, surely. If that isn't draft tampering, then draft tampering isn't a thing.

I don't understand why it's a huge gamble. Surely MFC supporters would recognise it's the draft that is a gamble, not gun 21 year olds. We traded off lottery tickets for a known quantity. If someone said to you, "I'll give you a million dollars, or two tickets in to a draw to win 30 million", which one would you take?

Almost needs two threads. The "f yeah, we got him" and the "waaaaaaah, we paid overs". I'm in the former camp and don't really want my mood sullied by the latter.

Well I for one won't mourn the loss of draft picks when it's a known gun we're getting. Stoked!

Draft picks or bust. Mahoney and team have demonstrated ability to magic second round draft picks in to something more useful. Swapping him for another talented by flawed player defeats the purpose.

How about they just play football?

Same. And I've never understood why supporters would GAF how much the players get paid.

So what you're saying is: - The club isn't happy with the standards Jack has set - The club wants good compensation in a trade and won't trade him unless they get it - Staying is a possibility and Jack knows the score if he does It almost sounds exactly what Josh "liar liar pants on fire" Mahoney said to the media this week. Who would have thought?

Agree. Byrnes was a 100 game AFL player. Was probably past it by the time he got here, but it's very harsh to use his name in the same context as Gillies. Byrnes and co were about the best players we were able to attract at the time. That's life when you are as hopeless a club as we were then.