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OK...what was wrong with that punch through at teh ball up in square ??

Thankyou OD, RobbieF and others . I thought I was just imagining it. Jimmy may well mature into something and by god he needs to to warrant the pick used . Who and where hes at isnt the real concern for mine as they are all different . It s just that he was touted as ready made, quite mature, playing men etc etc. Somehow hes gone backward. That worries me. I sense Todd and Co got overruled on this one.

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Beacause he CAN play at that level and Toumpas wouldnt be able to. Succint isnt it Therefore Wines is way ahead of Toumpas. Its fairly simple really. Its not that he IS playing that automatically gifts Wines some kudos. Its that hes able to once there

umpiring very Tiggy touch. But a bit both ways. Makes it hard to play when its like that. Come ON Toiges... dont let the scum back in !!!!!!!

for christ sake you r an absolute buffoon in youre incapable of decipehring whats said. You whinge when others apparent ly dont yet youre totally inept at this. The argument pivots not on that he is playing finals and Toumpas isnt. Thats a facial and strawmans argument. Most befitting you. The comparison is that one is already accomplished and capable of playing at a high level and the other struggles most game and hasnt got his act together yet. Immediately some will jump on the yet. This cant take away from where both are currently. The point of mentioning the finals is that Wines seems quite at home and capable even at this level. Finals, arguably always more demanding than h&a. Its not that his IS playing them but that he can. Toumpas isnt settled even at H&a level . he would be at sea in the finals Wines isnt . Its therefore a very simple deduction to make that Wines is far ahead of Toumpas. Those who now argue how good /better Dimnitri will be for Roos, well the same surely must be afforded Wines also.

Why dont you allow him to talk for himself Im sure hes quite capable That you re blinkered to the obvious is no surprise

and some wines wither without coming to ripeness if that how somw wish to have it. We lack mids , hard at it goers. Stupid to have passed on one

No hindsight needed. There was a choice. many viewed Wines the handier player. Supposed knowing pundits had Toumpas rating betting as hed played mens footy with silky skills. Always these "silky skills" !! Toumpas has a long way to go. Wines already there. Good picking Dees

your harping on about finals dilutes your rhetoric .Its about ability to play period. That Wines can not only play well in finals but excel only heightens the disparency. The comparison again,as you seem intent on ignoring is one is quite accomplished already and the other isnt. Might be in a few years ; who knows and that again reinforcss the difference .

The point would be he could have been a Dee with his mate .

who ?

its rubbish. Look at Messendon

History suggests we aren't overly successful in either of late. Im not a fan of white jumpers., no.

Could Mouse pull off the absolute insult and get the scum up over the Toiges. Wouldn't he relish the fuming from Eddie . For that its tempting to wish for. But...go Toiges Am impressed by Hardwick.

Really Nasher . Poorer effort.The comparison is someone who CAN play at finals pace and do well as to a player still struggling in a rabble. Reality is Wines is far more polished and capable right now. He is hardly likely to undergo a massive reverrsal. Is way ahead of Toumpas

what an absolutely ridiculous stance. Thats not the point at all. He we have a kid , ready made, playing finals and taking by the scruff of its neck,,,coz he CAN we got a kid struggling.. Yeah yeah many will sugar coat it but Dimitri was supposed to be a ready made, played agaisnt emn etc etc etc...blah blah blah thing is ..we picked the wrong one. its about who was a better choice, who may have added more to OUR pie. answer is pretty easy to see really isnt it Well done Port suck eggs Eddie

Ollie Wines....meh !!!

royal blue mean anything to you ?

pretty handy this kid...whats his name...Wines ??? Where'd he come from ?

yep ...losing is fine

Whats happened is weve lost 12 and still picked up some....plays with my head that does but hey !!! All this and weve been cr@p. Get a bit of wind behind us...

Agree

that would be the 'dark side' ....of the Moon What we need is for the effects of Money to work over Time. Now as ever its about Us and Them and in the end we ought to Eclipse the rest

sorry ...were you trying to make some sort of point there ....