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Umm. No.. we had a stall... a lady with van had coffee right beside us...and turkish food next to her... so we had Gozleme.

ask the boss...isnt that why she got the gig ?? Crickets from my vantage point Whilst there I did ponder what it all could be.. An opportunity begging

Excellent observations.. You also have to question the waste of energy. It's not efficient.. its footy's version of scattergun. Just blaze away..push push push ....and hope. The problem with this approach is you need a hell of a lot of skills in your bag to be able to pounce on that supposed deliberate loose ( forced ) ball. There's no intent to control the ball.. it controlling the space and expecting the ball to follow suit. This is quite simply ridiculous. A team that CAN control possession will beat you every time ( all other things equal )

Why do you suppose Clarry and Teac would be told that ? I ask as it seems to this observer that this is our game. If it wasn't surely they, and all, would have already been instructed as such. I dont have the opportunity to go to the training nowadays ( I'm a 100k away and just not that interested in getting up that early.... so big shout out to Kev, Pickett and others ) but by all accounts there are lead drills practiced... but we hardly see it in games...hardly. We all understand its about the dump kicks ( more akin to dumb kicks ) into the forwards. So little about what we do past centre makes any sense to me. We either know what we should do...and dont... OR we dont really know what we're doing ( and do that ....sure looks like it ). Either way its all wrong (imo) and it's way past time it changed. Either Simons words aren't getting through... or they are, just not the words we want. Any which way ,currently its a chitfest, a dogs dinner. We dont seem to have a clue. I only ever played burb footy..but as a forward.... just about everything i see is the anti-ethos of just about all i was ever taught. I thought i might just be ignorant of better ways. A b-i-l .. ex VFL player..a forward also ( bit better than me lol ) agrees with me..He's also coached. Interesting he offered... you ever get that front end sorted... youve a couple more flags coming. It baffles him , as it does me, as i think you too that we just keep on keeping on with the same durge. I can only summise we play that way as it's the instructed way. If it wasn't we would have seen wholesale changes by now..no ?? A key element to why we continue to crowd ourselves and fumble is we have no idea of tempo. We're just a bull at the gate... thumping that ball down there ....then expecting something miraculous. We take no care in what we do... and are then surprised (not) by the results. There is no escaping that the chief culprit has to be the bloke in charge. We should have changed our modus by now. It's not working. I dont think he has a thorough enough grasp of the game styles that need to be employed forward.... or we'd be seeing it. Also the bloke delegated that area is useless. Sure as [censored] ...if nothing changes... nothing will ( outcomes ) Every other coach knows exactly what theyll face... some have the cattle ..some dont... and some are simply better coaches. Everyone...from most here, to other teams supporters, to the sporting media... everyone knows the area we're poor in. What changes ??? SFA !!!

He hasn't done himself a lot of favours of late, but i agree he does use the ball cleverly. He at least knows to look sideways etc . Bit of an enigma . Not sure who he replaces.

By all accounts we train utilising leads.. And then comes game day.. Flinders St, all change, this train not taking passengers. It makes no sense whatsoever

A lot of folk throwing around blindly ..this reason or that ...imho....but its as simple as we are not getting the ball into the right position ( at that encompasses an area...not just one spot ;) ) Footy isnt nearly as complicated as some imagine. Executing it...well, that's another thing but you need to understand what you really want to achieve first. Forward play revolves around two...and only two very simple ideas. 1) Having the Ball.. oh... I know...it's breathtaking in its breavity..And it is.. You have to have it, control it.and get it to where you want it.....which brings me to 2) Position. Ideally an arc 45 deg one goal post around to the other (45deg)... no further than 40m out. Get it there.. You goal...Well...You bloody better...... That is the HIGH % area to be in Food for thought...how often do WE get it there..??? And that explains our problem.

I have no idea....but he seems immune to being dropped...lol

Only 7.5 dead in front... Our style often has us trying to thread a needle at worst....or kick through a doorway at best. We dont play clever in the front 50...we make it hard....all by ourselves.

To be fair....who is 🤷

Don't mind that at all PSD. Might even avoid the pockets a bit with "more thinking" minds getting the ball into the hot spot more often. I still think the idea of the 2 rucks is ok...but it's not nuanced correctly. One of Tommy Macs great influentialabilities was/is to be the link forward going in.... he would oftendrag a defender to the side before moving forward ( losing contact ) and marking.,..quite often too far out for a direct shot ( sometimes though)..His next kick was often toa positionwhere one of our forwards would get 'into".. This straightened us up immensely.. We seem to lack that connection at the moment but no reason Grundy or Gawn couldnt do likewise. They dont NEED to be the contesting forward.....just get it to them ( whoever are )

The oddest thing just occurred to me about our game plan. In a sense its like a picture formed by folding a paper about the middle resulting in a mirror image. Our foward play is all but exactly what we try to force opposition teams to do. Our defenders deny opponents fowards arial superiority, we force the ball wide to the flanks.. We pressure the ball. We deny the corridor and rebound into attack... The most bizarre thing then seems to occur once we get past the middle is we adopt all of those attributes. We try to get the ball from the arial entries ( aka bombing ) only to end up going into the flanks and pockets ourselves. You have to ask....if we dont think having the ball towards the boundary is beneficial for our opponents in their fwd 50...why would we suppose it will work for us ?? We seem keen leading to pockets when really you should be leading out of them. Strange game...our style of footy.

Maybe Chandler gets a rest...... ANB seems wedded to Goody. Goody likes his 'efforts' . All very commendable but the game is won on outcomes. Trying alone is inconsequential....achieving is what it's really about.. We tried hard yesterday; ran ourselves ragged doing so. Achieved little. If ever the maxim " work smarter, not harder' had relevance it must be now. Dont expect to see Bullen at Casey anytime soon.....unless we're training there.

Not thinking you'll need to worry over conflicting positions this year. We're not winning the flag ugly or otherwise at this rate.

Thanks for your report. Shame about the lad. All the best to all.

You, and others, do realise the only STAT that truly matters.... IS .... Goals !!.. i.e tge Scoreboard. There's no prize for winning a lot of trumped up innocuous stats...none whatsoever. You only win via Goals and Points...and Goals far outway points. All those stats have no real context as much becomes subjective... so all.it really tells you is we ran around all day accomplishing very little for the effort. Not a stat but an extrapolation of all of them is to ask....why not ? Why weren't we more EFFECTIVE ? So if you apparently have all the elements....but end up with a dogs breakfast what does that tell you. Tells me we dont know what we're doing once we get it past the centre. We are literally clueless. How can this be ? Is anyone prepared to put their hand up and say our forward game is 'good'... we're just unlucky ?? Good teams, clever teams don't end up with so many shots on goal with as many 'hard' ones as we do. We play a very defensive offence ( forward game) . It's as though we set out to make it harder than it really ought to be. The number one priority as I observe , when we have the ball in our fwd 50 is to defend the ball. It's absurd really. The number one priority is to score. A condition of the scoring is to give yourselves the best chance by making scoring shots the easiest as can be. Is it just me...we seem to attempt the polar opposite. Theyre all quite capable footballers. So the real problem must be organisational.

It's the Elephant eh 😉

Someone had to keep an eye on that part of the ground. It's been a major flaw in our game that if you can get out our back door...the worlds your oyster. I have no doubt ( in my view ) that the box plays the % in this regard. But as a manner of playing this game you cant expect it to work all the time, and im sure they don't. But in games ( especially) where your 'game' isnt winning and where the opponent are showing more guile the logical adjunct is to make sure your defenders keep an eye. We should have played one more back behind the ball.

Also ...why is fatigue any more a factor/excuse/contingent with the Dees and not 17 other clubs ? Its a furphy.

We we're very fortunate.. in an inverse nature of Lemony Snickett and his game held up for a very short time. Are you suggesting he's travelling ok atm.. ? Seriously. Much if not all of our problems emanate from the game plan ...and selection . Responsibility is ?? By all means wear your Goody Hat. Im over this ridiculous persistance with a game thats every other coachs fodder. Its ok though as we're just brim full of 'learnings' This bloke will now burn careers and waste a lot of talent. There's at least half a dozen blokes that should be playing in the magoos on form.... but theyre not. Any number of players are playing in the wrong spot... or being directed to play the wrong role. The players dont make any of those decisions...do they. We have a dysfunctional foward line.... by design...because theyre playing utterly stupid football in terms of patterns and footy nouse. Cant be accidental..can it...?? Its not like one week or so are an aberration to a norm ...its not like we generally play ok up front but just have a bad game here or there ..is.it. No. Week in week out we see the front half of our game as our weakness. It the coaches job to fix that and the head coach's job to get his others to do it. Unless he can't. Goodwin has peaked.. 23 has 22 written all over it....

Football 101 NEVER leave the goals ( arc from one point post to other ) undefended once ball in your defensive half.

Hunter forward... Woewodin to that wing ?

Here in lays the problem.. and it's the fundamental one upon and around all decisions and selections will pivot. In the minds eye of Goodwin ....does the season need 'saving' ... or ... 'perservering' with. I.e... are there fundamental problems to be addressed....or is it a matter of "backing the lads' ( which by extension means backing them to back in his (coach's) game ? If Goodwin fancies the game is sound but just needs a bit of this and a smattering of that and all will sort itself out....especially as 'learnings' are applied, the what we have seen transpire will essentially continue. To suggest he or any of the FD will attempt to right the boat and save it ( from itself ) will need them to not only acknowledge that, and by extension ( as well ) concede theyre at fault. Therefore needing alternative action(s) Given our recent history ( and for the purposes of this exercise we'll limit it to the Goodwin years) how often has that happened...with anything done ?

Doesnt seem to matter a lot to us.... we cant enter the arc with meaning or menace...and cant hit the side of a barn... wet or dry . We're in a spot of bother. Lyons lot will expose us..... unless Badloss and coherts do some serious recasting of their runes.. Need to dust off the alternate game. The one we used preseason and glimpsed against the filth. Time to chuck plan A in the bin. Times up on that rubbish.

Hardwick was up for a change... he realised his errors. He adopted a different tac , a different game. Goody doesnt change... we all see this. Its odd really. He IS capable of alternative ideas in games.. somehow that all ( or nearly all ) gets left somewhere and the the same melbourne game rolls out week after week. Id take Hardwick...happily