beelzebub

OD..we're just cynical old bastatds..seen it all...just deal in results. Others are dreamers...their world is warm and fuzzy...full of players who are all good blokes full of 'potential ' and there's no limit apparently to how much 'time' one gives them. Silly aren't we

Harmes Brayshaw Jkh White A look through the window at tomorrow perhaps

ditto

Interesting. Have heard good things via jungle drums. Good luck White.

How did common sense sneak back into footy ? What next....consistency at the MRP...lol

without more explanation I have no idea as to your point. Mine was simple...The results from Roos are somewhat lacklustre...is that up for debate...really ?? Have often said though he probably a good overall holistic coach...but for mine game day sux. Weve won not a lot of games under his tutelage. Thats a FACT. I would have expected better Aker is a headline machine and quite forgetable as such... but Roos has been paid a lot of money. Players cant play his game...and lack many of the basic skills often. That deserves a question ...irrelevant from whom Am hoping the answer comes next year with a quantum improvement.

this ^

I disagree....you are doing X....to gain Y

Hang on...there are 2 issues here. 1) Do I think he'll amount to much for us and 2) secondly what right now might be the best value achievable for JT ? 1) I have my doubts 2) Given (1) Id be looking to use whatever value he has in a trade Its a bit like moving from one travelator to another.. Which is going to get you to where you re going...and get on it..( at any given time )

So Freo and Nth are allowed to pick and choose and play in a manner which best suits their long game/big picture needs !! Marvellous....we did that and got screwed.... The AFL is as corrupt as it comes

we'll see Im not convinced he can make it appreciatively at this level.....and its at this level that counts

interesting...cheers

bugger all being a veteran

tanking

essentially true Sue. Im sure the club will be looking for trades and the currency ??? I dont need to name players., I'm not privy to all of that info..who knows who is/will be avail.. Thats the clubs job

Deanox...how long ?? and at what cost ? A player is an asset or a liability . Goes to the old chestnut what isnt part of the solution is part of the problem. My whole view of a team is clinical. I take personality etc totally out of the equation as its useless really in attributing worth. If a player isnt performing to ability and has possible value if put towards another player who can then to me thats the players worth.

my point is the Toumps arent a priority for us.. Players that can play and impact are The Oscars are a better bet than Dimitris in that vein. We've got Toumps..wooped de do if we cant extract value in a trade then were lumped with him until/if he performs as he needs to. Bargain

Nice try at half understanding.We need to draft players that are far more ready than simply "potential in 5 years time" The likes of Brayshaw and the Van man are such. Pertracca, even allowing for injury is a more ready to go than the types espoused by Toumpas. Theres a reason the Roos/Taylor era of drafting doesn't go for the Toump types and you might take note since this has started we havent gone for kids like Jimmy with any expensive picks. Im all for developing players but lets get ones that wont ve half way through their careers being giving any dividends.

4 teams with much better lists than us. They all play TEAM footy...and quite successfully. They have the LUXURY of pandering to the "waiting for " types. We don't ,we need players that can play NOW...impact NOW The Toumps effect on game day verges on SFA unfortunately This isnt a bloody charity ...its football. You need to be competitve. We arent

( Cross ) got that wrong

this is actually quite valid

when...loves kicking rain makers !! just saying

play like one !!

I really was looking forward to seeing DC running around for one more year. He has much to teach...and maybe still can. A player /coaching role via Casey would be ideal perhaps.

id give him some slack for his delivery !!