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To me here's your conundrum re FB... At Caulfield there's a huge tract of land that's been underutilised.....for a while. It has very limited roles suited to development going forward. Rediscovering this acreage as a sports mecca is its ideal new persona. Over at FB ?? The most expensive use of land in any redevelopment is as open recreational use. Any developer will only ever allocate the barest of minmums according to what ever overlays and caveats applicable. $ for $ anything at FB will be horrendously expensive as compared Caulfield. I can understand some might look at it...but to be frank FB has no logic . The very same reason Waverley disappeared... it was worth more as housing... FB is same same. The ONLY thing the inside of CRC is suited to is Sporting and low rise event use. It's a no brainer imo

To state the bleedin' obvious every team , every game will need to be switched on. Blink or stall at start and it's catch up footy. We've been notoriously bad starting many games... I don't see this panning out well unless we address the simple faults. I think your overview is pretty spot on. Go Dees ( from the bounce....or go home)

Youre comprehensive powers are failing you. Hes irrelevant because hes not an if or a maybe. Very likely to not play this year the way it's pointing... He didn't play a lot or to his previous eliteness last year either.. Grass still grew ...and we move on. What IS relevant is what you CAN do....not what you can't.

Oliver is irrelevant....he's made it that way... we've coped. He's not an issue. Either folk understand that or don't. Strangely Footy is a team game. Its now all about how the controllers use the pawns.

to save derailing the "training' thread any more ....I shall revert to discussion here @dpositive just by way of interest have you been to Caulfield and visited within...i.e the "commons' area ? It's vast....fn huge really ..you could lose two ovals there.. My own thoughts are this will and possibly should only be viewed as a training facility and not a playing location..as such. But.... Cursory investigation shows that the water table there is around at LEAST 50-60 M. So ?? You could feasibly DROP the playing surface of at least one oval and construct viewing stands which would not impose upose the surrounding areas. Capacity would not need to be huge. Much is made by yourself and others about Greenfield locales.. I stuggle to see much being accomodated at FB/PM... Instigating facilites at Caulfield would not mean upending anyone and 'turfing' them out ( couldnt help myself there..lol ). I can't see how that is accomplished at PM...Someone would be miffed surely... There just ISNT the availability of acreage to develop currently.. At Fishermans ....Real Estate will be at a premium.. Again...To obtain TWO ovals that you if not quite use exclusively can 'hog' and limit attendances etc... just can't see it. Going to FB/PM is akin to driving down a congested court... it's a pain in the proverbial getting there. It may look central on a map...but access wise....it's the pits... But it will be fine for LOCALS... and good luck to them if thats their choice of residence...they won't be travelling to use facilites.

Explain... difficulty of training ground inside Caulfield.... and go......

A lot of people seem.very confident about how good we are/ or might be... how this stands us in good stead for yet another tilt. Such a good thing those 17 other teams are just going to stand by and do nothing to inhibit us. If we dont develop a much better game, a much better forward system and efficiencies well we are pretty much dead in the water. A little mongrel might not go astray. Imho we got pretty lucky in 2021... a very different year in so many ways and we not only persevered we dominated ( at times ) 22 and 23 became a test to see if we could learn and build upon that success. Short answer is NO. So bad at 'learnings' we repeated our failure in 23. Everyone else seems to have learned more about us than we have ourselves. When it counts ...others triumph. Premiership windows are about when you're in the box seat, when if things go your way your able by your own efforts to make paramount of opportunity. We are not that kind of team currently. We seem to pitch wildly from effective to calamity. I fear some are in for a rude awakening this season.... especially those wearing a red and blue jumper... those in the box seem in another world. Go Dees. I wont be disappointed this year.... not in the sense that we'll finish beneath where i suspect. This is all on Simon. Show us.....show us a different Melbourne....the same one wont even finish where we have. For that window to remain open....something different needs to occur in order to push the pane up again....otherwise it's only going to be pain in 24 Lucky those other 17 are doing nothing 😉 I rate Ooze.... btw. Interesting to watch that lot I fear we have a tough start... will be lucky to finish 7/8 . Enjoy the footy. Bring it Simon....

I tend to agree... Its actually only a 45 min drive for me coming from the other direction...a good 60K... Tbh....I'm never tempted to spend the petrol on it... Not to peer through cyclone etc...thats just pox really . Theyre' decent enough facilities for professional sports.... don't get too fooled anyone in thinking this is the Bees knees or ideal. You want that...look to what the Lions have etc... and we too maybe one day. It's ahhh.... fairly agricultural at Casey..

Training down.the house....or just burning it ?? Too early to tell ( clearly ) but we're not really off to a wonderful start. If we don't adapt we're doomed. Simple as that really... Window closing ?? Might be Our list is only as good as the game plan allows them. There's a few blokes out there not getting any younger... I wish us luck, we'll need it.... Can't help but wonder 🤔🤔🤔

Merry Christmas....from myself and .....others. Stay safe Might see you next year..... tarrah

Strangely if you actually reread what you've indicated...and overlay a more reasoned context to Caulfield you might come to realise you've shot yourself in both feet. You're entitled to your view. It's not mine

Be a shame eh........

I understand that view. That is unlikely. The requirements are 2 ovals ..An enclosed training space.. General training areas/equipment. Sports Medical and Admin. That requires a bit of space. To my knowledge nothing able to incorporate all of that as OUR facility exists in term if space near ...even remotely the G. I think the club has taken the bigger holistic approach. Again this about sports training/admin.. not us. Fine by me. More than enough options abound for a beer or a wine. You would have to think they would incorporate a retail facity and perhaps a cafe/bistro open to all...i mean why not.. but it needn't be big. I think not only can Caulfield tick all those boxes bu there may be other positives we haven't even considered. This will be modelled on world class best practice... not archaic footy niceties.

I sense some are confusing 'central' with accessible.. Further ...and again.... central to what and/or whom ? Central in any Melbourne context is actually somewhat misleading. The CBD was never Central...but was the centre of Commerce. Melbourne's biggest shopping area ? Nowhere near FB/PM Are we just the MCG footy team... or the MELBOURNE Football Club

Yes.. the middle...maybe a bit to the left..or such.. Have you any idea of the amount of area there ??

No.. not in my view.. The area will require some recreational facilities and that will definitely suit the locals....ppl who are already there and those that come to live there. They wont be fighting traffic etc... FB/PM is very ordinary travel wise to get to. Limited avenues.. you effectively have to go in and out. It's actually not central.

Everything you suggest will be more than adequately catered to at Caulfield..imho. Access, space , locale. I'm not getting the feeling many truly get the scope of what will be on offer nor the unique opportunity this should present. I think for far too long many just hear the word MELBOURNE and automatically allocate thoughts to the CBD/MCG region. In my view that self restricting...and alienating. Google "Greater Melbourne" .. THAT'S Melbourne... the whole bloody box and dice. We are the ONLY team who by name can assume the 'whole' and this is how we should be looking at it... Anyone from anywhere in Melbourne can identify as being a Melburnian.... and Caulfield is right at the heart. Time to think BIG Picture

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Central to what...and whom ? The whole FB area is a developers sink hole. Any greenfield design will of course need to incorporate public amenity and by such 'some' communal recreational facilities. But it will be minimalist as that's real estate....read $$$ .You're not going to get as much in this locale that you can preside over. FB and indeed PM do have proximity to 'town' but the last i heard ...'town' is on the nose with sqM vacancy very high . Again, I have to suggest a Football Club Training Centre and Admin Facility is nothing about you or me and ONLY about what it does for the club, not the supporters. Access to FB/PM is relatively limited. A development at Caulfield does not take away amenity from anyone, it creates it. Your suggestions at FB and PM either restrict public amenity or take from it. Im pretty confident if you were to ask the club..i.e the staff and players which they would prefer as a WORKPLACE .... Caulfield would win by its own home straight.

Thankyou... brilliant stuff.. Rivers 😳😳😳 beast mode Somethings bode well... But hey ..it's Dec Cheers All 🎄🎅🥂

Oh dear.....fellow Dlanders , I can't help that some have this new Training Ground all wrong. Is it.. A) about club facilities, player development, bringing everything home ( well to A home ) i.e it's a Football/Admin kinda thing. Or B) about the supporter..about deigning to postcode demographics ...about a 'choice' bar to socialise... Here's the mail....it's A ...all about A ... B...yeah nahhh.. not even a thing ..remotely. This IS all about Training...and i dont mean...' next train arriving on platform 2 is... ' Wake up folks...its about THEM... not you.. You dont play...you dont do the books... But hey....I'm sure you'd be ok to watch and grab a snag. For comparison look at what Premier League clubs do... what NFL clubs do... etc etc... Its about player facilities.

Not sure they could organise the proverbial p*** up Daisy let alone clever stuff. They still struggle with inner sanctum games it seems. Caulfield should have been signed and sealed by now imho if it were happening. Another committee getting sfa done.

Ooooohhhhh gooooodyyy... he can kick !!! Handy.. We'll see.

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Cant kickem ...might organise the front game a tad better. His approach is flawed. He found his moment in the sun.... the sun has moved on... us....not so much. Much work to be done. Oh... good luck Bun...thanks for visiting. Cheers.