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Welll...would you believe Green and a 30-35 pick for #12 ?? good thinking 99

Amazingly, considering one handed typing !!!

ooooh...carefull.. warning....danger Will Robinson.. Logic ahead !!!! Hannabal..exactly... this seems to be lost on many..its all about timing isnt it.

anjyone able to forward to me in pm a specifcic email addy of someone with clout at mfc other that "general" i get so littel response there.. lol Addy will be kep quiet..I will honour the secrecy cheers (p.s. Macca's will do ..lol )

I dont belive there is per se. Just that if one jumper is dark..teh other is light..discerably. The red -mfc would qulaify in spades !! Its a dodgy road i conced when we deal with teh AFL..but we might learn a little from thjose other once destitute lot ( the filth ) and tel lthe AFL ..hands off our jumpers. Were playing the game ..unlike them, so give us leeway. Between a predominatly red jumper and our standard I cant see who we can possibly be confused with...unlike Sundays debacle.

I have,,, above, maybe reading isnt in your skillset YM ?

why ?? Doesnt the word "pragmatism" occur in your vocabulary ??

id probably agree. but its really down to the market..i.e who wants whom. Clubs are always in the driving seat on this..

p.s. Really like the 1858 touch !! sweet

You win.. Brilliant.. does it all.. Tasteful, Historical ref..in the logo. Simple. Forward this to the club..its yours. ( you dont I will on your behalf ) Then we stick to just thses two designs..our normal one..and this clash..leave it at that. Heres a design teh players would feel truyly chuffed to wear..instead of pajamas !! well done

probably the only thing saving his 'nads at the moment!!

A curious thing this one. Firstly.. I wish no player injury or harm. Secondly its no real intention to besmerch a club stalwart.. BUT !!! I'll lay my cards fair and square on the table..then you can all line up with daggers.. so be it. I see this as a good thing if not truly palatable. To be honest Robbo has been playing a game thats pretty high on teh crapometer this year. Very few moments of zing or the deash he's had in the past. If this is our key forward, they to be frank we're in deep do-do. Exhibit 'A" ...the 30 sec mark of the Demons-Saints debacle. Thats where his head is. Of no use to use. That this forces a rethink / rejig of our forward line ..actually the creation of one is more apt !! Then good. Do we put Miller there...why the f**k not !! Its a [censored] year..might as well have that flavour icing hey !! But.. he migh tjust do something. His marking would newed to be a 1000 fold improvemtn on the other day. His kicking has improved.. well it would have to..he IS actually kicking it now. The true way forward is with one of the kids or possibly PJ down the sharp end supported by Maric and co. That might have a chance. Thats probably next year. SO... Is this a Godsend ? NO. Thanks Robbo.. ..wish you a slow and ful lrecovery..consider your future well.. ( keep in mingd youre unlikely to return until sometime 2009.. no preseason..and limited days going forward. Think about that. Practice your singing. Is this an opportunity od sorts.. well. vacancies always provide that dont they !! Now..please make an orderly line over >>>>>>>> take a number and sharpen knife

I think a few ( if not more ) of us are really echoing each other here.. Essentially. He's not untradable, but ift would need to be a pretty good deal. I agree Riv isnt a true CHB..but very handy floater...and hge clams things down. My preference is to keep..but If it were my door it'd always be open to listen to anyone with a proposition.

A very practical man ( if fictional ) once uttered... " a man's gotta know his limitations!!" lol Same applies to a team really. We arent travelling to well. Right now isnt prudent to open a wallet with really nothing in it. I cede your view that mayube next year we possibly look at doing it for the yeart after.. So that would make teh mr magic man appear in season '10 That might be close to good timing. But I should temper this with the idea that as teh poor end of town ( just a reality folks ) that maybe we grow som e of our own in the backyard instead of paying the inflated prices of teh (afl) Supermarket. Yes its harder to do so..but hey..like home grown carrots..they're sweeter and beeer for ya!! heheh. Point being you work within your means to expand them ( Isnt that right Mr Kyosaki!!lol ) . It might feel better that we are the "we too" brigade.. look at moi look at moi ..we got this bloke etc. But does that really get you far ? We need a bit more than "1" marquee player to set this world on fire. I simply feel that with limited means its beholding of us to travel a different path.

next best thing to the wobblies changing the colours of their stripes !!

I see absolutely no reason to rush out , wallets aflapping to land a supposed franchise player. What for ? Are we likely to challenge seriously in the next 2-3 years. I dont hink so. we wil lbe tialing off our rebuilding staring a possible window then. So in teh mean time we throw money at some "big name" Foolish for mine. we need to play smart. Lets sort out who we want , who we'll keep etc. Sort out the money ( contracts) for them. Lets make sure we can trade in the black. Thats how you do business. A big money bloke whilst sating somes apetite for cosmetic glory wil do nothinng for us except waste money. There is a right and wrong time to spend money..NOW/Next year..aint it !!

In all reality I tend to agree. There is a core id rather not touch if possible if only that they are a framework to build around, not so much that any one is untradable. Sentiment wil kill you every time when assessing the real value of your team. Al we want is a good balanced team thats fit and capable..who that is I really dont care. I want the Demons to win..not this or that bloke !!

All wonderful sentiments. and that swhat they are sentiments. we're all entiteld to them but they in themselves do nothing on the filed. There is really only one litmus test in this game and that is success. More the point its success in the here and now.and ..next week. That a player was wonderful two three yearsa go is great nostalgia. Doesnt put teh bread on the table this week. does it ? Beamers game is even more one dimensional than Brocky's is becoming at times. Granted on hi sday Moloney can be good. He does go forward and Im stil a fan of when apt , kick it to a contest and put pressure on the defence ( for this you do however need a forward line.. , note to self..go buy one..lol ) Premiership points are strangley enough only awarded on the field , on the day. Its in this vogue I choose to analyse anyones continued presence at the club. I hope the club does too. Past players ( even such as Neeta ) are a different kettle. But still the simple criterion of what can they do for the club is still sound

See I told you Id forget someone. Yes he would be on my please dont touch list. But if someone came along with a really really good offer.. Id look at it and consider it on its merits. Th eproblem with Jared and Beamer..and Brocky and far too many bloody footballers everywhere is the dreaded OP and other scurges. Being practical you need to weigh up how many games at full tilt. how many at 90% ..how many below par out of a particualr player you might expect as a result of this and do the math. if it doesnt come out above teh line then youd really be a mug not to look at trades etc. Again this doesnt detract from any player per se.. just the overall fit and contribution to it. You have to get quite mercenary about all this if you actually want to achieve. Cruel yes.. Such is life. Again I want a flag.. cant care less who wears the guernseys on the day, and why should it.

Actually in reality the alt jumpers were almost appropriate with their silvery backs... very Gorillas in the mist down one end !! lol Any contract can be dismissed if both parties agree..thats LAW!!! if both parties can agree to the merits of ANOTHER jumper then a new one can be developed. its not rocket stuf is it. This isnt the too hard basket unless there are some weak bastards in the club. Lets see some mettle down there ! That jumper as one G Lyon saw fit to denounce, aught never be seen again.

part deux: There are those that wil ljust go or have gone by natural attrition and or injury. This leaves the ones that wil be decided upon by way of they value to the team.. Dappa has already hit this point on the head in as much as its not always a slight agaisnt someone simply to debate their continued presence in the red and blue, but their FIT into the team going forward. If you were to have any players on teh dont touch list..they would be few Davey, Jones, Aussieand Bater come to mind and now folks I seriously struggle. Junior is still servicable and almost untradable..let him continue if hes up to it. I would have thought at seasons start that this would be Oozes last. I still dont like a lot about his game but as others fall around him we may need to take caution in throwing the baby out with the bath water as it were. If he is useful ..we might do well to think about one more year. However this is tortally dependent on the seaon as it unwinds firths ( really unwinding now..lol ) He's not a first option to me..but a genuine second. Frosty..well .. he's definitely tring to redifine himself on the turf and with mixed results. He stil lneeds to improve but id consider keeping him for now unless a reasonable ofer made ( this is up from just trade him ) Carrrol. Hes not our hope at FB. but in the short term he may have some use if he can become a more than useful half back flanker. Whilst his handball is attroocious ( not alone he can pick off wioth a kick. Green.hmm. is this where the wise ppl use his tradability as he peaks to get real value ?? Id be in this camp..see what we can get and thendecide on THAT !! Bruce..god ..who would give us anything now hes gone totally off the boil. A terrible handpass.. unable to kick to a position and yet his set shots are a littel up this year. Only salvation is to make him a dedicated tagger...he is prety fair at that. otherwise trade. Meeson ?? well yet to fire a shot in anger...maybe he wont.. the punts not paying off hereis it. Can he make a fist of a KPP ?? handy if he could.. might have to release him some way. Russian. time to go Jamar !!! Jeff.. what do we do with Jeff?? Either we keep for next as insurance..or he retires off own boot. Have to wait. Buckley...is coming along.. keep Garland.. coming along...keep Weetra..done ya dash me matey.. delist Bode....doesnt Bode well does it... probably a delist Bell...ding dong its trading time Chris Johnson... trade, delist Frawley... showing a littel bit..persever for next year. Dunn... what a disappointment this year.. not high on the 'keep' list Batram.. someone go look for the real one..this guys an imposter at present.. Paul Johnson. Keep.. KPP or back up ruck..if that doesnt work out next year..revisit Morton..keep for sure..( feed him lots and lock him in the gym) Petterd..probably keep for sure.. might entertain a trade.. Brocky and Beamer. Keep McLean , someone teach him more cards for his deck..a bit one dimensional at present. Beamer..trade Warnock and Wheatas.. prefer to keep both...not untouchable though. Juice.. go find him some.. some jugle variety , He needs to get back in the swing..or he is staring at teh door. Sylvia.. hot and cold.. would entertain a trade. probably forgotten some.. if they are the kids..they are ours anyway for now As you can tell I hold littel nostalgia for keeping for keepings sake. The sad thing is very few write there own get out of jail free cards !! Some are well worth keeping and developing, some will only be there by luck next year until the end of that yea, when they will be dispensed with as others come on. Again..its all about their value to the TEAM..not any individuality.. The footy dept have their work cut out for them at end of year .

and whats the bet THAT person is no longer with the club !!

Initally I read title and thought..ok..here we go again. Then read some posts and I cant help but feel that teh more this season persists this actually becomes a harder question. Seemed almost easy at season starts. Well what do we know. Part One : Neita is gone Clogs will be gone this we know. now.. the likely's If I have to make a call on this I'll do so with reservation: Robbo. Just cant see him coming back to top form, his current prior to injury was medicre at best. Sorry folks. He's gone for mine. Wheels ? Frustrating probaly for him as much as us is his form. A possible goner. I had heard whispers that Jeff was planning on going to. ( put that on hold ) he's 50/50 I would have said Ooze was a cert to go .. he may enjoy a 9th and final life if others cant come up. He does play a tunnelled selfish style..but its consistant!! Cant see Chopper making the grade. Russian..hasnt shown enough for me. He goes these almost choose themselves.. part two will look at the 'balancing act' of retention v trade

finding it hard to raise any enthusdiam on this one. To be honest as so much occurred up the foggy end I found it hard to tell who was who at times.. I'll just chime in with an overview efoort. Some of this disturbs me..lol. Ooze did shine amongst that lot..that alone says it all really He was one of the few to actually manage any effect 6/10 I thought Johnson played a very honest game..he didnt get a lot of help did he. 7/10 Garland tried valiantly even if (again ) little support 6/10 what did come came from Matty W..who also seems to be improving..some of his decisions are well..hmm...could be better 5/10 again this irks me . If Im mentioning him, we're not going to well. Frosty actually does seem to be attempting to change his game 5/10 for effort. Stop looking to keep it half way backwards now , is this his new trade mark in stead of handball?? Get rid of it son.. otherwise..carry on with attempted transformation. Aussie. tried hard all day I felt.Why wasnt he brought on the ball much earlier. He was wasted yesterday. 5/10 were any others really playing.. I couldnt tell..not until Brocky came on wearing his Jammies!! Not Baters best day. If most of them are going to play like that..stay home.. I could have !!

Have to go , want to ggo ..anm going . Have lined up a couple of mates ( who are filth as it happens ) to go. Couldnt back out of it even if I considered that, which I dont Will we win?? lol.. I dont think the bookies will have us as fav, still be interesting to see what the line bet will be. I just ask Melbourne to make a ferocious game of it..take no prisoners, relentless tackling. Make them pay double to take the 4 points. This IS Collingwood after all and who knows...this is wobbly month after all !!