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Poor doesn't begin to describe our recruiting.

And on top of it there's been a lack of development compounding the drafting.

it's very sad to see what's become of beamer this year.

i honestly wonder whether or not he'll want a fresh opportunity himself.

he could easily find a spot in our midfield, in port adelaide's midfield, gc17, gws, footscray's midfield - but the thing to note is that they're all the bottom sides.

he's not a top tier midfielder.

has been a terrific servant of the club, and had a couple of terrific seasons.

i wish him best in his retirement...but i must admit i do expect to see him running around for gws next season.

I'm not a massive fan - I see him as part of the boys club that I still think dominates our club - but I'm not opposed to this.

Stability is key.

just read that; sounds like if it doesn't work then it could spell the end of him.

poor bugger. never a star, but his first season in 06 was unreal til he snapped his ankle just about in half in the final round, and missed the finals as a result. some of his tagging jobs that year were sensational. has never been the same since - clearly that knee is cactus.

all the best to clint.

i can't believe just how bad we are. gc17 will beat us at the g on form like this. appalling.

good grief there's some incompetency on show tonight.

it's hard to watch it's so bad.

difficult conditions, but some of the skills on show are appalling.

after watching the hawks clinically cut the pies to pieces on the mcg this arvo, you realise how far off it we are.

I've got pretty good mail on both sides of the fence - one is adamant he's headed to the cattery and the other has him remaining ay Alberton!

Still hoping he winds up at the Dees.

nope.

It's looking increasingly likely that Boak will stay, Cloke will stay, and Caddy will stay, plus Viney will end up available as our second round pick.

The only way I could see us giving up #4 is if it gave us access to one of the under 17 kids from WA. But I expect GC17 to try for one of them, and someone else to get the other by trading a player rather than another pick.

So the dream draft of Toumpas, Wines, Kennedy and Viney could come to fruition, presuming we hold onto our current parlous position.

i want him. he's a gun mid, who gets the ball, delivers the ball, and kicks goals.

like jones, he's been left to solder together some form of midfield with little to no help.

a midfield of boak, jones, jmc2.0, trengove, grimes, viney, at least one other class recruit from this draft, plus hopefully gysberts (who i think has enormous potential - such a dirty word!) is potentially (there it is again!) very exciting.

i would imagine everything will come down to whether he's determined to go to geelong or not. my opinion still remains that it's the cats or the power for trav.

given our parlous ladder position, we are of course in the ideal spot to nab him if he does become available, having #4, #14 to play with.

a lot will come down to viney's f/s selection - if we can get him with our second round pick, then #3 and #4 makes for an even better bargaining position.

in an ideal world we keep both of those, get boak for #13, and viney for our second round pick.

essendon want him - they chased him hard last time - but will have to commit to daniher with their first round selection, which would be far too late to satisfy port regardless. footscray might be in with a shot if they want to trade their first pick, but i would doubt it. we shall see.

did you prefer garlett to kennedy?

daniher is frighteningly exciting - i absolutely loathe essendon and they're getting a terrific kpp very cheap. paul salmon-esque.

Would people be happy with....

Mini Draft Pick # 1 - Jack Martin/Jesse Hogan

Pick # 3 - Jimmy Toumpas/Jake Stringer/Ollie Wines

2nd Round Pick - Jack Viney

i'd rate toumpas and wines over martin and hogan, and we could probably get both, but it'd be hard to be opposed to it.

whitfield is a jet.

toumpas (no 's'), wines at #3 and #4 for me, then kennedy with the mid-range pick, followed by viney with the second-rounder.

i'd love grundy with the mid-range pick, but he won't last - wouldn't be surprised to see gws snap him up.

yup, he's got speed, he's got strength, and best of all he's got excellent vision. very exciting to see.

not with hogan's kicking at goal. leans back on his set shots, every time.

martin over hogan for me. he's small and skinny, but just scintilating speed and guts too.

he and hogan are the two eligible for the mini-draft, i believe.

viney's strength in the contest and worm-burning passing are really exciting.

Gee, slow down Jack!

yes, he's been very good thus far this quarter, particularly from the centre bounces. is he natural left or natural right?

can't believe boyd is not even 17 yet. he and daniher are both monsters in vic m's forward half. essendon are going to have a very, very dangerous forward line with daniher joining the likes fo hurley and crameri.

watched most of both games thus far. real stand-outs in the first game for me were:

grundy (sa ruckman)

stringer (vic c winger / half forward / 3rd tall forward type)

wines (vic c in-and-under midfielder)

toumpas (smooth moving sa in- and outside mid)

kennedy (small, zippy sa outside mid / small forward)

membrey (bullocking vic c third tall forward type - be interesting to see where he fits in the afl)

whitfield (vic c ball magnet - beautiful off both sides)

based on what i've seen of the vic m-wa clash thus far, no way is viney worth #3 in the draft. still hope we get him for that second round pick tho!

2 div 1 games being shown live on the afl app now tomorrow and Wednesday.

GC17 will nominate every father-son worth a dime now. Viney, Daniher, Bourke are all going first round. Stewart will probably slide to the scum's second round pick.

The big difference is that under the previous bidding arrangement he was a chance - albeit a slim one - to slide to our second round pick, as either GC17 or GWS had to nominate him individually as being picked up - now the team that finishes stone motherless can nominate those three mentioned in my opening para with one pick.

It's a completely radical rule change, making it a certainty Viney will be nominated.

In most people's opinions we're fortunate in that he's expected to be worth it.

Yeah, absolute certainty that Viney will be our first picked player now.

What a farce!