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They smashed us all over the ground. Freely admit that. But by playing that way with the short handballing we let them dictate how much pressure we ate under.

It works once. Hasnt many other time and especially in the wet. I am not against handballing. But smart ones. Not one meter handballs, they need to clear the contest to a player in space. Against the hawks we did both. But it was dry.

It's terrible. It's a dumb game plan that costs us time and time again. They handball in the dumbest situations, Vince was a prime example yesterday when he took a mark, handled to Jones who was two meters away with his back to our goals who then handballed back to Vince who then took his kick under pressure. We are so dumb with the amount of 2 merger handballs. We all stood within a meter of the contest, Carlton stood around us an extra meter away, tackled us and waited jntil we turned it overt then spread from the contest under no pressure.

If Hogan gets over 600k base on his next contract we are getting ripped off. 600k with incentives of which defensive chases and tackles are a big amount.

Typical of this club. Weak front runners.

Calling leaders... leadership... maybe some ideas from the coaches box... No... Ok, carry on as we have for the first three quarters.

A blue bus has been ordered for the players.

Cut their fuckking hands off.

Any chance Viney can get near it? What about moving Vince into the middle FFS.

We are fuckking pathetic. Those efforts are so soft, could one of these so called players actually play football instead of playing with each other and trying to get 30 disposals by handballing to each other. Yes, the umps are pathetic but we are getting smashed in clearances and hard ball gets. Over use of the ball with under12's skills. Getting out coached so badly. So so badly. Leadership non existent. Trying to do fancy things instead of playing hard football. Typical melbourne. Even if we win, this is pathetic.

Vanders needs to be dragged and left on the bench. I thought we couldn't get any dumber. I was wrong.

I think if we handall some more it might help...

I called the loss 12:31 into the first quarter. Dumbest football we have played in a while. So dumb.

A guy at work said 2010 iirc, but I think it has been twice in the last ten years, but we usually play them as the away team at the G.

This game will tell us a lot about this team. On paper we should win, To stay in the season we must win. To give us every chance to make the finals we must will well. This will tell us what players have the mental fortitude to make it in a good side, this will show us which players will drive us to the next levels. Our attack and desperation at the ball and the player with the ball should be much higher than Carltons. Our willingness to help out our defence should be at its highest it's ever been.

Disgrace if this occurs.

Ha ha this thread is just too much... Vickery... ha ha ha ha

Surprised to see Michie in. Thought Salem would make the squad.

Robbo said 4mil over the five years.

TBH Poppy is a important cog to the Hawks, Stratton is underrated by many but I think one of thier top 3 most important players is Liam Shiels.

So we get to listen to tge usual suspects argue instead of just read about it... ha ha But seriously, what is the podcast going to be based on?

Ha ha ha ha ha... NO!

It's not the lack of love. Pedo is great to have as a back up. Weed was good in his first game and other than the corkie he would have played this week. Means we can play Hogan at CHF which I think is the best position for him.

His aporoach does not worry me any where near as much as his holding of tge ball and ball drop. He was holding it like a torp on sat night.