Stigga

Add Ian Stewart.

Three Brownlows.

Three premierships.

One of the game's greatest players.

Not a coach's clipboard.

Yeah, I just think eade or Williams might be 'jumping the shark' a bit...

After he destroyed the culture at another Club?

Aside from Neeld I can't think of a coach who has as badly damaged the list and culture in such a short space of time.

And given you think Voss had Browm, Black and Power at their peak his poor results speak for themselves.

You mean the same club that defeated Geelong a few weeks ago?

Clearly a shocking list and culture...

Do you have a death wish?

Excuse me!?

I have always believed that single decision led to the Lions being where they are today.

IMO it set back restructuring the club 3 years and Voss is were he is a direct result.

Understandable though. Still had brown, black, power at their peak and thought they could pinch one more.

As a side note voss as coach could be a positive in attracting players to the club. I think this is a massive issue for the club going forward.

Yes but not of coaching.

His results at Brisbane have been poor.

His dumb decision to pay a bomb for Fevola was a disaster and split the Club and hurt the player culture resulting in a number of key players leaving.

A lesser favourite son would have been sacked for that almighty balls up

Understand all that, but still appeals to me more than Williams or eade (assuming that Roos is out)

My guess is the location is favourable for Roos and he can get back to his Fitzroy roots.

Agreed

Barassi

Thought that was obvious but yes of course since Barassi.

you trade, we get a PP of 1&2 which at this point is fairly likely, i am certain clubs will offer at least 1 quality mid for pick 1, The lions in fact would consider offering those players for the key forward they desperately need,

fairly confident the crows will have a good think about Sloane for pick 2 who is as good or better than any of those mids,

and the natural improvement of guys like Viney, he's already averaging over 20 touches a game,

only real difference is we have someone to kick too.

Phew! I look forward to that happening then! Cheers.

You mean like Royce Hart and Timmy Watson

Even so, have we had anyone in the club with a 'Voss like resume'? Maybe that's the problem?

" we have a weak midfield that can be improved in one good trade/free agency period

See, I don't understand this part, how can we fix this in one draft period? If possible please lend your services to the club on this matter. How does one acquire the ilk of rich, redden and rockliff in one trade period?

I reckon we have a better list than the lions, we are offering much more money, lifestyle would be the only reason for him to choose them over us

Nah, we don't have rich, rockliff and redden?

Certainly Not.

Why?

3 time premiership captain.

Would know a thing or two.

#getvossmfc2014

Also went to a function today where Peter Jackson spoke quite candidly about our current situation, so if you'd like to know anything about that I can try and give answers.

Did you ask them how they think we're travelling?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies

Best way to describe the place at the moment, kids running the show, holding the club to ransom, cliques, self-preservation et al.

This is where it all goes wrong. Compared to what Collingwood had out there, Dunn, Garland, Watts, Dawes and McKenzie (even I'd throw in Jones) are NOT experienced. They're all around or less than 100 games. And apart from Dawes and Rodan, not a single finals game amongst them, yet alone a grand final.

Collingwood had more than half their team, 12 players out there, with more than 150 games. We had 2, and 2 that you'd probably wonder if they're going to be back in the VFL or not next week.

The gulf in experience between who we are, and who they are, is ... well, there's just no comparison.

Oh ok, so 80+ losses are warrented until when!!!???

If Neeld didn't give a stuff, Barry, Dawes, Clark, Hogan, Terlich, Jones, would not have been recruited.

Sorry, don't understand what you are getting at here.

I just can't see how you can remain so passive after each heavy defeat....

Something has to give soon... (i.e ASAP)

If we can eliminate this one glaring flaw from our games we will see far closer results, especially since it will also translate into more scoring opportunities for us.

That's the thing, it ain't going to happen...

Had him until the 11th hour, then changed our minds and picked Bennell...

The madness has to end...

Neeld was also frustrated at the more senior players not doing the right things.

I remember a conversation I was having with a friend of mine who played cricket with Bailey.

His words were thus - 'Bails is not worried about the youngsters, it's the established players he's [censored] off about.'

Perhaps that residual still lingers.....

Jumbo... surely you saw through the press conference...

I understand everything you have said regarding our plight...

But it can't go on... something has to give soon...

I'm here captain butterball.

For all your anti-neeld posts, you fail to mention ANYTHING capable of an alternative. What, you want to throw out "get roos"? Or "get Williams?" You don't get it buddy, you just do not get it. Watch today's game, watch last week. We have a midfield that has played so little together, we have 6 of our first picked players our, but do you want to know the most damning part of that? I know this wont help your narrow minded thinking, but changing the coach tomorrow doesn't add 100 games experience to trengove, Howe, toumpas, viney, jones and Evans. It doesn't work like that!!!!! If you watched the game on tv and listened to flogs like darcy and Bruce, you won't see the picture. You won't see that players are kicking the ball blindly trying to do too much or kicking 5m behind a leading forward. It's confidence. When we look down the line and see Clark, Dawes, Howe watts or hogan, then we can be more confident to kick long. But when we ply around with it seeing fitzy (who played ok in patches, but doesn't lead hard) or davey/blease/rodan, its hard to be confident kicking long.

Neeld can not be out on the ground to say "don't u-turn through traffic Dunn/davey/Sylvia, he can't say that. He is clearly instructing them to hold the footy and look for a clean pass in. But inexperience, or sheer selfishness by senior players u-turning or hand bling to players 70cm away costs us. We need to give it time. We need to practice going forward inside 70-80m from goal under pressure, we need to focus on freeing up a player with good skills outside of the pack. We need a decent run with injuries, because we haven't the depth yet to cover 6 first choice players, but most bloody importantly, we need patience. Supporters cracking the sads like you saying "7 years of bottom 4 finishes"- you bring nothing to the table. Every demon fan has had 7 years of bottom 4 finishes. But neeld is there now and has seen 35 games, after cutting soft, slack and under performing players who weren't going to take this club forward.

If you can't see that we need patience, we need to stay calm and we need to stick together, then PO and follow hawthorn or Richmond. We are on the right track, we just need to add 1 or 2 mids, some experience to the 22 who play together, and our injuries to give us a break. Neeld has cut the players who were not taking us anywhere. The group we have, we keep together and add some experience, and confidence, and we will get on top of this rut. Just stop blaming 1 individual, the same as saying we are always looking for our next "saviour" and let the players play, build trust and confidence and give them some bloody support!

In all seriousness, I can't understand for a second how you can defend this...another 80 point loss? On top of all the rest!!!???

Inexperinece!!!!????

Dunn, Jamar, Davey, Garland, Rodan, Watts (Yes!!!), Dawes, Jones, Sylvia, McKenzie...

Or just no good...

Yes I have. I think you'll find that the technical term for this behaviour is raving nut job. I'm not sure of the Latin

"Id est quod est..."

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2013-06-10/round-11-mark-neeld-media-conference

Anyone studied Behavioural Sciences of Pyschology!?

Trying to convince the media and himself of our plight...