daisycutter

Well this tells us nothing, except maybe(?) no injuries in that group

Guess we'll have to wait till tomorrow to see who draws the unlucky straws

They put it all on the Hun website. Amazing.

http://player.video.news.com.au/heraldsun/#1559603144

It just gets better

Musta been some night!

Bit savage on poor old Racetrack

It was only a fluff blog piece

He is demons supporter.............tick

He is passionate about the Dees....tick

He loves the "red and blue".........tick

BTW I only posted the link as a FYI, I've only been to BPL once in my life and that was to read that disgusting Hollywood piece

I have no intention of going back, and speaking for myself, Racetrack's line of argument is his not mine, but I do share his passion for the red and blue

Now lets go out and thrash the ferals (in our red and blue strip)

Wow, what a BREAKOUT year this has been for the club

I can't remember so many positives things happening in any club in one year

A HUGE thanks to EVERYONE at the club, all the generous benefactors and and all the supporters who held fat when all looked doom and gloom

This is a GREAT time to be a DEMON, the vibe is everywhere

I even feel sorry for the ferals this weekend

We are not alone

Another point of view for your interest

Red and Blue till death do us part

Edit: fixed up link (I think)

We have worn a predominantly white strip in the past and we will in the future. Adelaide, Brisbane, Hawthorn, and WCE supporters can hold your argument and say that white, which is the predominant colour on their away strips, isn't apart of their history but not the MFC.

If you think bringing up what we wore over a hundred years ago as irrelevant spin then you would also be opposed to our claim to be the oldest footy club and our inclusion of 1858 in our new emblem.

Haha, very droll. Keep drawing that bow. Actually, you could be onto something, lets also bring back jumpers made from chamois with lace-up necks . . . . mmmm

IN - Trengove and Maloney

OUT - Bail and Bennel

Like a lot of posters, it's probably harsh on Bail and Bennel. Bennel wasn't great against the Lions but has been really good the previous few weeks, and Bail was one of our better players at the Gabba and has done well since coming back from injury.

Having said all of that, if Maloney is fit he should be a definite in the 22, along with Trengove.

I think we need to keep Johnson in the team as his combination with Jamar has really been working.

The luckiest to stay in the team is probably Jurrah, but I think he at the very least occupies the attentions of a decent defender each week, and probably a few others in the opposition defence as well. Not sure how Bate went for Casey, but he might feel a bit hard done by, but we're winning and playing well, so possession is nine tenths of the law.

If I was going on form and fitness alone, then it would probably be Junior and Bennel out. But I don't think Junior will get dropped (not this season at least), so those are the changes.

It's a tough decision to make, but it's great that we've got these decisions to make and aren't thinking "how the hell do we put a competitive 22 out there this week".

I think you're spot on here. Summed up my thoughts exactly

Richmond should be the best opportunity for Jurrah to get back some spark. Lets hope so, if not, I think he'll be back to the magoos cos he could get beat up bad against the Dorks if out of form

Were the other clubs who wear a white strip were named the 'invincible whites' at a point in their history?

We should take ownership over the history you love so much and tell everyone why we are wearing white over, say, silver...

One last attempt . . .

Collingwood have a tradition/heritage of white, so do the Bulldogs and the Swans and St.Kilda and North Melbourne.

How does our wearing white somehow claim some heritage "ownership" and give us some unique identity

I think even the Labor party would struggle to spin this one

That stance is, as you point to, hypocritical. You can embrace history only so long as it fits a narrative.

Other than red and blue, the other colour (or non-colour) associated with the MFC is white.

It is our history and WYL conspiracies aside - the club should keep a white strip going forward.

you are being silly now. I think we have done the Invincible Whites thing to death

I'm out on this aspect

Hmmm, don't remember Doc Weildon, what year would that be?

Seems his name was spelled Wheildon and played his last game for Fitzroy in 89 magoos GF, then dropped out of footy after getting run over by a taxi whilst p155ed

Doc Weildon for Essendon i would put money on.

Hmmm, don't remember Doc Weildon, what year would that be?

So then, is there not a case for including the white strip as one of our incarnations as only wearing red & blue is also just a facet of our history which you may or may not wish to recognize?

You're now practically saying you want to forge our history and write it in a favourable manner, using only the elements you see fit, without respect for the club's heritage.

I think you need to embrace either all of our club's heritage, or, dare I say it, none of it.

No No, I don't want to rewrite history, nor not respect the heritage. I embrace and devour it all

That doesn't mean that I want to restore or return to all aspects our heritage. A good example I gave before was the Fuschias.

You're welcome to make a heritage connection to white, I grant it has a certain logic, and it is an interesting tidbit, it just doesn't do anything for me re a predomoinately white clash jumper. Nearly every team now has a white clash jumper, from a distance they all look the same, so where is the "we are Melbourne" look?

Merritt was a Magpie - and a rare one - total class and a nice bloke from what I could gleen of his manner on telly.

Highly skilled, beautiful stab pass (IE: a low, fast kick similar to a drop kick but lower trajectory and properly executed impossible for a defender to intercept) and all round good guy.

Played through the 50s and was in the Woods' team of the century.

Great memories Pitmaster. Bobby Skilton was also a great exponent of the stab and drop kick, and images of Donny Williams streaming off the backline with a 60m drop kick are still vivid in my memory. Or Billy Barrot pumping a drop kick from the centre bounce into the square

I still bemoan the demise of these kicks. They weren't for all players but for those few who mastered it, it was a joy to watch.

I wonder who was the last player to (deliberately) kick a drop kick in VFL/AFL?

If you like seeing 1858 on our new emblem then embrace the jumper they wore when they played back then.

I would love it if you or DC would articulate why I cannot embrace white as an MFC supporter for selected away games.

As WYL said, no problem with you embracing it, whatever your reason. It's your opinion.

As for the "Invincible Whites" rationalisation, for me personally it has no currency or great meaning. Just a byline in history as is "Fuschia's" and many other arcane aspects of MFC's history. I do still have a big soft-spot for "Redlegs" and wish we could have two nicknames, but that would not be very practical. At least it lives on in the membership group.

Whatever made me think you were replying to me?

Maybe it's the fact that you click 'Reply' at the bottom of my posts...

Huh? I just checked, it says nothing about a reply to you on the post header.

The only one offended in this thread is comedy and wit.

You did brag in a previous post that your "stock in trade" was sarcasm and flippancy

I hope you have a plan B

Like I said, lighten up sunshine

See now, this is where I move from dismissiveness to annoyed and a little [censored] off.

You are essentially saying that my acceptance, for reasonable and historical purposes, of this white guernsey is tacit approval for the dismantling of the club's emblems and the homogenisation of the game.

And that is nonsense.

At home - we should be king. I would approve Cam Schwab putting up with a massive fine to not adhere to any jumper swap in our home games. But I realise that our great red and blue jumper clashes with other jumpers and I will cede us wearing that guernsey in selected away games. Why? Because other clubs have just as much right at home to wear their jumper.

And you spelled ADs name wrong.

Hey, Sheesh, lighten up rfpc, This post was not aimed at you nor in reply to you - whatever made you think that?

Just a bit of light hearted satire and not meant to be personal to anyone

Breaking News: Melbourne 3rd August 2010 - AFL to introduce high tech solution for clash jumper disaster

Along with the new electronic boundary and goal detector systems (eBAG) to be introduced for next season, the AFL announced today a revolutionary new computerised electronic team-mate anti clash system (eTAC) that will also be debuted in time for next season. This will allow players and spectators to easily identify their team-mates and avoid the need for the unpopular clash jumpers. Secret trials have recently been completed by ACS (Myki developer) and proven to be 101% effective.

Details of this amazing breakthrough are still being kept under wraps but the basics were announced at the press release today. Players will have a microscopic electronic chip imbedded under their skin and attached to the nervous system. This chip which contains a next generation GPS will both identify the player and receive feedback of all teammates which in turn using AI techniques will be transformed into discrete nerve impulses. Communications is said to use a new proprietary version of the popular Bluetooth technology (called Blue&RedTooth) allowing communications upto 200 metres. Special highly secure encryption will be implemented to avoid hackers attempting to interfere.

The technology will be rolled out in phases. Phase 1 will allow the players to identify their team-mates. Phase 2 will provide for spectators to purchase special side-lit glasses containing an utra thin see-through LCD panel which can receive the communications and provide various options to highlight players. Details were still secret. Phase 3 will allow TV broadcasters to pickup the signals and modify their broadcasts. They could then use the information to provide coloured electronic pointers, reverse-image or player name labels on their screen as an identification aid. With all the players GPS information cable operators were expected to provide extra value-add pay-for services.

Leading Teams has won the contract to train the players in bio-feedback techniques to utilise this new technology. Training is expected to commence early in the new year and be completed before the NAB cup. Further details on this exciting new development will be announced during Grand Final week.

Leading civil rights activists have praised the AFL for finally putting to rest their (predominately) White Australia policy but were concerned about whether AFL players would be able to cope with artificial intelligence, and have recommended all players be offered adequate counselling in case of nervous system overload.

OK, I know, but it was slow day . . . .

Melbourne 2nd August 2010 - The AFL today announces radical solution to clash jumper controversy

Under pressure from passionate supporter groups the AFL has announced that from April 1 next year all clubs will be required to adhere to new specifications for home and away strips . The CEO of the AFL, Andrew Dimitriou said today that this issue had been drawn to his attention by various supporter groups but especially the Melbourne Demons supporter group DEMONLAND. Mr. Dimitriou said that the AFL was not an autocratic organisation and was always interested in a level-playing field for all clubs. He said the AFL was especially interested in the views of the supporters and saw them as the true custodians of the game.

From April 1 next year all clubs will be required to have two identical strips. One jumper will be fluoro-pink for the home strip, while fluoro-yellow will be used as the away strip. Socks will match the jumpers. As a respect for the traditions of the game shorts will be black for the home team and white for the away team. Clubs will be able to highlight their traditional colours by adding an emblem to the jumper and/or shorts not exceeding 97mm wide by 119mm high. Sponsor logo rules will remain as is. Numbers on the back of the jumpers will remain the same size but be white on a black square.

Leading club officials and TV executives contacted today for comment were unanimously in favour of the changes and said that the AFL's forward thinking on this matter should herald in a new phase of this great game. PM Julia Gillard said it was "pleasing to see the AFL moving forward" whilst Leader of the Opposition Tony Abbot said "it was good for the AFL to stand up for real action'' .

Excuse me, gents.

I've just invented a time machine to travel from the pre-gold rush era, of which I have no knowledge yet, in a state not formed yet known as Victoria.

I played in team called Melbourne who invented this wonderful sport that seems to be talked about here.

But I have no knowledge of these 'Demons' you discuss, nor these colours of red and blue, but I am thankful that there is still a vestige of my 'Invincible Whites' in the guernsey the MFC wears in some away games.

Top stuff, embracing the roots like that...

OK, you're excused

. . . Kind of like saying, I have an 'idea', if I pull on my [censored] long and hard enough, it will get longer (I hope)!

Haha! keep us posted on your progress pilgrim

Daisy Cutter I cannot respond for WYL, but I would think TV opinion, would be only one factor in this - not the only factor.

For example, there is a valid point about colour clashes, for the players - just think back to our "pink" day. There was the obvious confusion at such a vital part of the game, because the umpires were also wearing pink.

The need to try and make one team and the officials as visually different from each other, as is possible, makes sense.

My point is, every consideration should be given to the tradition of all clubs - not just a few.

And to me, and I am sure many others, the Red and the Blue, is a vital part of that tradition.

To me the colours are just as important as the Demon...and that's coming back.

Understand all that BD, I just thought you might have a better idea of TV's POV , if indeed they even have a strong opinion on this. Its just that others have suggested it was an issue for them

I think there is some merit in what you are saying WYL, but the actual impact is minimal.

Agree. But clubs now spend a fortune on trying to gain that 0.1% difference

I'm not convinced it does make a performance difference, but highly trained professional athletes can be such temperamental creatures that I wonder if.

Anyway, I'm not totally against a clash jumper of some sort, but only against those teams it can be shown to be a genuine clash (not as is now the case).

Heck, I wouldn't even mind if we had multiple clash jumpers designed by MFC specifically for the couple of teams we might genuinely clash with (without the predominant white). i.e. our home jumper, plus a couple of predominately red & blue by decreasing the clash colour/

OK, might not happen . . . . but . . .

Rhino, WYL makes sense with what he says about colours. I also know enough about TV, to think he is near the money shot, regarding TV rights and what goes on around them.

A question for BD and WYL

Its been said that TV stations are dictating (to a point) to the AFL over clash jumpers.

This I don't really understand. Games now are played on better grounds with better drainage, lighting etc. therefore players are not obscured by mud and overcast conditions. TV is now high definition digital and infinitely clearer than before. My eyesight is not what it was yet I have no real clash issues watching TV.

So, can you explain the TV stations point of view?

Yes i will keep it up, i find Sport & Psychology very interesting, and very closely related.

So it is far from wasted-Thanks for the encouragement.

Good for you WYL. Keep it up.

Dont let the snipers and bullies bother you. Its all about ego to them

Its up there with the worst of them 45....Absolute garbage.

Why do you remind me of Dennis Hopper, the photographer out of Apocalypse Now. The similarity is just scary...

Rhino - the moderate "moderator"

sometimes it's best to say nothing if you have nothing to add to the discussion