jumbo returns

Well, yes and no - a couple of horrific injuries stalled Whitey (kicked in the face and the bleeding shin EVERY game) but the clincher was the line across the centre circle that negated his leap. I agree, wasn't a heavy body player. Jamar got three years because he 'protects' space and plays a disciplined role.

Why is a big call, WYL? What have you seen in Martin to keep him on list? Forget the Bailey era - that was junk time.

Very impressive!

We have a poor midfield KDA - if we pick anyone up, we'll need to pay overs.

500k a year? I like him...hard body, hard attitude.

Don't hold your breath DD - we've stuffed this up before......

I'm fairly temperate and measured (most of the time) but if that boy doesn't play in Melbourne colours next year.....fair dinkum, I'll [censored] lose it!!!

Thanks dee-luded. The sad part is that jnrmac always contributes thoughtfully to this forum and we've always had healthy debates. I'm quite close to some information and it would be remiss to divulge where this info came from. But, regardless of this, as a lover of footy and this club, Neeld's message has been clear all year - unfortunately, as the 'buy - in' continues, Stef cannot commit to the discipline required.

The Bailey years were rubbish. Time to recognise that and start a new rebuilding process. I'm going to leave it at that. Good luck to your posturing and clinging onto mediocrity.

No, no inner sanctum - just a member that's been watching him closely. He plays unaccountable footy. He still does it at Casey. He will not block for his ball carriers, will not give off, his kicking has not improved and he runs into space he shouldn't. Further, I need to reiterate that comments and discussions can be had without resorting to puerile insults.

Sorry, won't respond to snide remarks or personal attacks. You want to talk footy, do so, otherwise don't respond to my comments and I'll return the favour. Thanks.

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Martin is uncoachable...will not listen. If he goes to the Swans or Collingwood or Geelong or Fremantle or West Coast he'll be lucky to play 3 senior games. He is not a champion, not a team player, has shown no improvement over 5 years....any pick, any club. Do the deal now.

Agree....but we've got one coming. JV.

Aren't we all, DD, aren't we all......

Josh Caddy wants out. Don't worry his form.....the boy can play and has a streak. Make it happen.

I love this thread. Bloody hell, this list has to turn around quickly. Bring in some hard nuts with professionalism and combative spirit. I'm all for it!

Hasn't payed a decent game in 2 years. Time to part company.

Brad Green was finished 3 months ago. Just because the mind is willing, the body isn't always up to it. Was missing easy set shots, allowed his opponent to run off him too easily and dropped easy marks. Courageous, faithful servant of the club - if there's room in the coaching/preparation department for him, so be it.

Is that you, Roosy?

Brace yourself to find a new fave and change your number on your jumper.

Trade of the century if this ever came about.

The mindset's fine, but the reality is different - other clubs do their homework.

I think that Bluey's assessment of Stef is somewhat unfair, but he does make a salient point....we reckon our players are worth gold.

If Stef Martin goes to another club, (especially a disciplined outfit like Collingwood) he'll be lucky to play 5 senior games for them next year.