Its Time for Another

Marty's very busy. Spargo Trac Langdon Yeh, yeh I know who it is.

I assume on the basis of Saty's previous observations that this was Marty Hore at work again. Slowly working his way through the list.

The rule says "directly". I assume that means you can't trade it to a club and directly trade it back from the same club. I believe if it comes back having been through another club it would be ok.

I've only seen a handful of players who aren't natural forwards turned into effective key position forwards. There's so much that goes into the position. Knowing how to read all the play down the field, knowing where to run to on a lead coupled with the skills to have running patterns to lose key backs, then kicking and marking skills. Massive risk to take someone on for this if they don't have a background in it. I have absolutely no idea about Jackson with any of this, there's just not enough footage. It's just got gamble written all over it.

Serious question. How do you know this. There's so little footage I can't get a handle on him at all. I'd say t's not possible to get that idea without seeing him.

Buckenara rates him at 18 in his phantom draft. Seems to have gamble written all over it. Drafting for unexposed potential. Hopefully will develop into a forward, hopefully will learn to kick, hopefully will grow a few centimetres, hopefully won't go home. Hope they've done serious homework on the last point. Having watched the finals I would have said the standout trait we need is elite skill. Clearly not addressing that weakness here. Gotta trust Taylor I guess. Buckenara has Pickett at 35. Fair to say our picks would be looking very different if he was our recruiting boss.

Stats are interesting aren't they. They're only as good as how they're used. There's only been 2 ruckman picked in the top 10 since 2006. One a success, one a failure. I'd have a pretty educated guess that most ruckman are taken on as project players quite late in the draft. So that stat may not be that surprising or significant in picking Jackson if he's a freak like Nick Nat. I haven't seen or read anything that puts him in that category but Taylor and team have earnt my trust so if they pick him I will have to bare knuckled trust their judgement.

One of my concerns is lack of height, however, this chart on afl.com.au on the height of current ruckman is an interesting one. If he grows a bit more he won't be that far off the current crop. CLUB PLAYER HEIGHT Adelaide Reilly O'Brien 202cm Brisbane Stefan Martin 199cm Carlton Matthew Kreuzer 200cm Collingwood Brodie Grundy 203cm Essendon Tom Bellchambers 202cm Fremantle Rory Lobb 206cm Geelong Rhys Stanley 200cm Gold Coast Jarrod Witts 209cm GWS Giants Shane Mumford 198cm Hawthorn Ben McEvoy 200cm Melbourne Max Gawn 208cm North Melbourne Todd Goldstein 201cm Richmond Ivan Soldo 204cm St Kilda Rowan Marshall 201cm Sydney Callum Sinclair 200cm West Coast Tom Hickey 201cm Western Bulldogs Tim English 205cm

Seriously rjay who's going to read anything you write when they have to get past your avatar first. What a gatekeeper.

Primary list can be just 38. Bennell and Brown can go onto rookie list from SSD so we have 6 rookies. Healthy salary cap next year.

Some pre draft experts last year were of the opinion he has the best potential X factor of all players in last year's draft. Look forward to seeing it in 2020 and beyond.

This deal can't happen. We can't trade pick 22 back as we traded it to Freo. Rule 9.7(a) A Club may exchange a Draft selection which it has received from another Club, provided that the selection is not traded directly back to that Club. Any deal with Freo would require them to trade in another pick for 22 from somewhere else as well as their pick 10. That's possible but they better get on with it. The clocks ticking. At this stage we have no other picks to offer this year or next year other than this year's 8.

What's people's view about Green v Young. I have read some opinions that Green is right up there with the first 2 and then there's a drop off to anyone else. Would Green therefore be a better option than Young or Jackson even though he's an inside mid.

From the Club website. “We’ve got a new Head of Sports Science in David Regan, who’s been involved with the New York Mets and the Miami Dolphins. “Previously, he’s also been a teacher, so he brings a good balance of the data knowledge, but also an understanding of the best way to communicate it. “The other appointment we have made is Robert Younger, in the role of Performance Data Scientist. “That role is going to sit across the performance team, coaching, list management and recruiting.” “Decisions have been made on the back of 12 months of gathering information on where our program can get better, but also looking across other clubs and across the world about the trends in sporting departments,” he said. “We’ve had a lot of conversations about data, and like any business or any sport, there is so much data available to everyone. “The key parts we’re looking at are that we’re capturing the right data, analysing it properly and then utilising it in the right way.” The specialised approach will see the club streamline its collection methods, before efficiently applying the information to assist with decision making. With two dedicated staff members joining the sports science team, the Demons will rely heavily on personnel to oversee and manage the success of the concept, across several areas of the club. “We think there are some real opportunities within this area, and those opportunities have been created by bringing in some different people with different skillsets, who can analyse data in a different way,” Mahoney said.

I've read a lot on here over the past few weeks. Looked at various highlights reels. Read various phantom drafts. I've realised I'm clueless. In Taylor and team I trust. they know all the players like I don't. Going to be a fun draft night. Do they keep picks, do they trade picks, who do they pick. Do they gamble and win on some trades. Do they gamble and lose. We'll know in a week and an hour unless some picks swaps happen before Friday's deadline.

I find this really intriguing. In 2018 I thought the team had really come of age as a future contender when particularly in the round 22 Eagles game they started slowing up the ball movement and hitting shorter targets in order to break opposition team's momentum rather than the Plan A which was to play on at all costs. I was at a lunch with McCartney at the end of the 2018 season and he explained that they learnt from that terrible Cats loss that sometimes they had to change from playing on at all costs to being more patient with the ball if the momentum of the game required it. To me that's a Plan B and you see the really good teams like Hawks at their best a few years ago doing this. So baffled why Goodwin would say that about Plan B's. I guess it's semantics. He doesn't call it Plan B he calls it something else.

DD you seem to have a high opinion of Jackson. I haven't seen enough to form a valid opinion. All I've seen in some very short clips is some very raw ruck work and not much else. Others have said he's a project player who doesn't have great skills or forward craft but is an elite athlete with great follow up work. Can you give an idea what you have seen that makes you and so many others rate him so highly. We've only had one year off in over five years from the go home circus that Hogan subjected us to. Does that concern you at all or do you have any information that makes you think it won't be a factor It will never go away unless he does what Hogan never did and make a long term commitment IMHO Young looks a safer pick at this point and offers something we desperately need. Gawny's 27 in 5 years a lot of this core group are going to be the wrong end of their careers. I don't think now is the time to take on a project player who'll take 4-5 years to develop if at all.

Saty and Kev I've got a question about Gus. I noticed that he finished some distance behind Trac on the time trial. Also noticed in that footage of the exercise of them holding poles above their heads and jogging that he put his down before everyone else was putting their's down. On the face of it those two examples show firstly he has come back behind Trac's endurance at this point. Secondly the pole exercise could be taken to be a subtle attitude issue. Not fully buying in. How does Gus normally track in running etc compared to Trac.

Bloody Tasmanians

Noticed he finished right in the midfield pack and well ahead of Gus. As said by another great to see Preuss finishing ahead of Maxy. We don't know what else Maxy did this morning but whatever, this is a great sign how hard he's worked in the off season.

Not sure if it was a record but he kicked 19 points in a row from debut before he kicked his first goal. I was there the day he kicked his first goal. It had become a thing week after week as he kept kicking points. Everyone started cheering his every shot hoping it would break the drought. His last consecutive point looked like it was going to be the drought breaker as it headed straight through the middle and the whole ground were out of their seats cheering but at the last minute it veered off and hit the post. It was hilarious. Then finally he kicked his first goal. The place went nuts. It was like Plugger kicking his 1300th. Needless to say things got a bit better after that start.

I like almost everyone else on here is clueless. I’ve read a bit watched a very little bit. Don’t know more than that. It’s just ill informed opinion which is a bit of fun. Of course the Club have done their homework. The more I read the more uncertain I am of what they will do but based on the risk factor of taking tall KP’s in the top 10 and especially ones who are raw projects I very much doubt we will be taking Jackson at 3. Also on a personal level I’m seriously over watching our last top 10 KPF from WA disrupt the Club with the go home factor circus until he went home.

For what it's worth it's 4cm. Good luck to you being happy with a 199cm first ruckman. I'm not. 5cm extra arm reach and vertical leap compared to who? Grundy? Each to his own. I've watched the highlights reel. Can't ever base much on them. Mine would be great but believe me very misleading. Ruck technique also looks very raw. The kids a project player. He could and quite possibly will be a star but then again he could be a bust along with a string of project key position players who were taken in the top 10 in the past few years.

For these reasons I don't believe we will be drafting him. Makes no sense on many levels. Won't be a no. 1 ruckman, too short. Apparently hasn't shown anything to indicate he will be a forward worthy of pick 3. No idea where press are getting this from. If it's from the Club they must be spreading misinformation for a purpose. Maybe to spook Freo into a deal. Who knows. Jackson looks like a player you'd take in the late 30's or later. Too short, not skilled. Go figure.

The AFL brought in rule 6 to compensate the rest of the Clubs if a Club has the benefit of being able to have access to a Father/Son or Academy player. The AFL set up a points value for each pick in the draft. As an example of how it works GWS have the right to draft Tom Green because they developed him in their Academy. Any other Club can use one of their picks to bid for him. GWS then has to decide to give up enough picks in value to match the value of that pick or let the other Club have him. So for instance if we bid on him at pick 3 that pick is worth 2234 points. To keep Green GWS would have to give up picks they have to match that amount of points. They currently have pick 6 which is worth 1751 points, pick 40 which is worth 429. and pick 59 which is worth 158. They would have to give up all those picks and that would leave an excess of 104 points which is worth pick 64 so they would be registered as having used pick 3 in the draft our pick 3 would become 4 and they would lose their picks 6, 40 & 59 and get back 64. Hope that explains it. Same applies for Father/Son and NGA academy players.