Whispering_Jack

I say we take a sample of his post and send it to the Australian Sports Drug Agency for testing.

Port Adelaide have tossed LJ under the bus too - South Australian Magistrate issues warrant for Liam Jurrah's arrest Double talk for "we're outta here".Gilbert McAdam bagged us on the Marngrook FS (after he walked out on us) for not supporting him enough. His reaction to the level of support given by Port Adelaide would be of interest. I have a feeling that unless there's some serious intervention he's going to be in major trouble (if &) when his trial comes up in Darwin. He desperately needs help and support to get him through this now.

Yep, could Geelong and their three flags be under threat? Cautious Cats back AFL investigation into Essendon

Could we take one training run at a time please?

You can always move to the mainland.

Aaargh ... I haven't had this feeling since 2000.

Probably all of the above.

Andrew Leoncelli

Sorry but I just couldn't help it given the events of the day.Cheers

OK. We've all had our laugh at Essendon's expense but let's not forget that they're innocent until proven guilty. PS: Can't wait till they hand over their ill-gotten 2000 premiership cup to us as the rightful owners.

What really cheeses me off is that this is the only club that we routinely beat and in fact, until these revelations, it was the only non-Mickey Mouse club that we beat in 2012. Now, I can't even say that.

I think you mean what you hird on the radio today.

I haven't been following this story during the day but I can't help but think about the suspension meted out to the Casey Scorpions player Wade Lees - AFL aspirant Wade Lees' 18-month ban for using performance-enhancing drugs will not be ramped up In Wade's case, he copped an 18 month ban for "attempted use of a prohibited substance violation'' after unwittingly ordering a fat burning product from the US. He didn't know that it contained banned steroids and didn't even get the product and he didn't have the benefit of the education on drug use that AFL players get. It will be interesting to see how this is handled.

I've been at work and out of touch with the outside world all afternoon but I'm thinking of registering on BomberBlitz to discuss this and other matters of the day. Anyone else think it's a good idea?

Go to the top of the class Scoop Junior. Indeed, it goes further than that. The AFL is acting as the administrative body dealing with the rights of all constituent clubs. It can't apply its rules in one way with one club and refuse to apply them to others without good reason.

Chiefs break ranks on drugs

If you think Redleg and others are "deluded on this issue, don't hold your breath expecting our lawyers to deliver on the "list management" defence or anything else for that matter, because by your reckoning we're guilty anyway and any legal defence to any charge that might be laid is the product of delusional minds.In fact, why not just do away with the concept of justice and fairness and dump the rule of law and presumption of innocence? Let those in power run the place as they desire and heap contempt on everyone else's non-existent rights. Let the "tanking truthers" prevail.

I didn't attend training today but I hope nobody minds me raising the name of the player about who much of Friday's training report centred (and no it's not Jordan Gysberts ). I've been watching a recording of last year's SANFL Grand Final, in particular focussing on Dean Terlich, then of Norwood. He's 23 years of age and looks older. Until last year he played as a medium forward but to his credit, coach Nathan Bassett assigned him a role in defence and he never looked back. The role he played in the first half of the grand final (which is what I watched) was what I would call a "distributor" role. He seemed to always be in the right spot in defence and is very good by hand and foot, always picking the right options and often following up down the field for the return pass. We certainly had nothing like him in 2012 and dare I say it he would make an excellent replacement for the wayward Clint Bartram. With both he and Watts bringing the ball out of defence it opens up a lot of additional possibilities for those further afield. Obviously the question mark is whether he can make the transition from SANFL to the elite competition. I noticed he fumbled a couple of times under pressure but it was a grand final and he was in the play perhaps 20 times in half a game. He's pretty gutsy. So for those concerned with our disposal skills coming out of one or two training sessions, I wouldn't be panicking but rather, I would be waiting for the NAB Cup when everyone has to be fully switched on and competing for a place in the team for round 1. The blokes without the disposal skills won't find it so easy to get in that side this year and some of our worst offenders are gone.

I think you'll find that the latter is exactly what the AFL referred to when it commenced the tanking investigation - rule 19 (A5).There's no offence for list management as far as I know despite the fact that many people maintain that this is a crime despite the AFL CEO insisting that it's ok. A journalist by the name of Caroline Wilson once wrote an article about it quoting the CEO extensively. But I think we've been there before.

I don't think there was ever an official VFL fourths competition and I believe that Melbourne Fourths played for some time (circa 60's/70's) in a competition called the Melbourne Boys League. They played on Saturday mornings and, I can recall as a 14 year old playing a junior game for East Brighton that was a curtain raiser to a Melbourne fourths game. That's about all I remember about that although I also later attended a game between Melbourne Fourths and Port Colts which was pretty fiery. I don't know what happened to the Melbourne Boys League but there could be some records around in old newspapers.

Brett Lovett

I agree with what you say American Demon but even if she was correct I can't imagine a journalist writing in a democratic society composing this story in such a spiteful and mendacious way. Apart from the slurs on the club and supporters, she is after all, suggesting that two individuals committed serious offences of match fixing and should be summarily dismissed from their current occupations. All that before they even had an opportunity to defend themselves against any charges.Of course, if she's not correct, we can expect the writs to be flying.

We all owe you a great debt for reminding us about this quote because it clearly demonstrates the warped nature of Wilson's thinking and how moronic she and her apologists are on this subject.She suggests that "if Carlton is guilty" then and only then would that club be investigated. But that is a ridiculous proposition because the whole idea of an investigation is to determine the guilt or otherwise of a party. It allows her to conclude as she tells her readers that Melbourne likewise is guilty (even before the completion of the investigation and before the MFC can defend itself) and that is why it is being investigated and moreover, she had decided on the penalties that should be applied. "Off with their heads and to hell with any principles of fairness and justice". On top of that if you disagree with her, you're a rabid supporter. She truly is a piece and a rabid one at that!

That was the point I was making. And there's no better time for experimentation than when your season's shot and you have no hope of making the finals.

I feel sorry for your confusion Mr. Bob because you were once such a clear thinker. For your information, I would only change the name of a thread if I thought it was necessary and since we were investigated for "tanking" the title remains unaltered. Moreover, had you read the OP carefully you might have noticed that I don't deny there's a rule against tanking (in fact I have never done so) but rather, I maintain it is bad law because it is often misinterpreted and misunderstood and has been selectively used in a discriminatory manner that reflects poorly on those who administer the game. My conclusion is that the AFL would do well to admit this, abandon the farce that's going into its seventh month and rewrite its rules on tanking. Since it was you who questioned why something was given a particular name, I have to raise the change in yours from Fan to Baghdad Bob. The other Mr. BB was one of the greatest exponents of sophistry and double talk of this century. Was the change in title effected to herald your metamorphosis from a "fan" to a fall guy for those on the dark side who crave our demise? Those like your heroine Wilson who have no respect for democratic principles like the rule of law and presumption of innocence and are happy to sink the boots into a man when he's down and before he's even had the opportunity to defend himself? It's reminiscent of the time on World Championship Wrestling when someone hypnotised Mario Milano and turned him into a baddie. The good thing is that Mario eventually snapped out of it and I trust that like him, you will manage to overcome your confused state and return to being a Fan again!